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[KwardBound]

In principle, Public schools have set hours, right? I mean, you are more likely to be asked to work overtime by a hogwon, right? Initially, I thought I might want all the extra hours aka extra money that I can get, but there is something to be said about consistently having reserved time for yourself.

Which is more likely to be pissed (inwardly/outwardly or both) about me turning down extra jobs/tasks?

[ttompatz]

extra classes at a public school typically fall within your 8:30-4:30 day anyway so you can't turn them down until you exceed 6 per week - good news is that you make some nice extra coin for your effort.

If you refuse extra classes in a hagwan you are asking to get fired (and they usually don't pay you for them anyway).

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[wesharris]

[ttompatz]

[WadRUG'naDoo]

[Senior]

For the first time ever, I'm not sure that ttompatz is sure of what he is on about. You can certainly turn down extra classes at PS (though why you would is beyond me, as you would just be desk warming during that time, anyway), and a hagwon firing you for refusing work outside of your contract is breaking the contract (though,there might not be that much you could do about it).

[ttompatz]

[Senior]

[ttompatz]

I point to article 8 of the current GEPIK contract as an example:

Article 8(Work Hours)

3. Employee�s teaching hours shall not exceed twenty-two (22) hours per week. Employee shall/may be asked to teach extra 6 hours within and/or out of the regular working hours. Extra teaching should not exceed 6 hours per week without Employee�s consent.

You can be asked to work your scheduled 22 + an additional 6 without your consent (you gave it in the contract when you signed it).

Overtime ABOVE 6 classes per week require your explicit consent.

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[meaghan]

[wesharris]

My current school specifies teaching hours as 50 minutes, and working hours as 25 teaching hours per week, plus 30-45 minutes prep time per day.

[northway]

[Troglodyte]

I don't know what percentage of schools refuse to pay overtime. I've had it happen to me. It had nothing to do with the 120hour per month scam. They simply said that they weren't going to pay because they didn't have the money. (And yes, that did get sorted out pretty quick.)

I do think that a lot of hogwans offer overtime with pay. I've known people did that.

Regarding the "120hours per week with 50minute classes" scam, I think that this scam is very common. I always ask the school/recruiter to change the contract to specify how many "classes" per month and how many minutes the classes are. I also ask for a note in the contract that if scheduled classes are less than the specified time in the contract, they are still assumed to be the equivalent of a full class. If they are more than the specified time (up to double time) they are considered 2 classes. I make it very clear when I talk to the school and recruiter that I work based on classes, not minutes. Let's face the facts, it takes just as much time and energy to prepare a 45 minute class as it does to prepare a 60 minute class, especially when the school wants you to rush through a chapter faster than the author intended. If the schools hesitate about changing the contract, I tell them this.

[ChilgokBlackHole]

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