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Taryn1



Joined: 08 Dec 2009
Location: Denver, CO

PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:21 pm    Post subject: Mental illness Reply with quote

I have a friend who wants to come with me to teach in South Korea. Is there any advice you could give her. She functions very well and has always been able to work full time since I've known her.

Please advise.

T
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oldtactics



Joined: 18 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're going to need to be more specific.

Social anxiety? Manic depression? Body dysmorphia? Bipolar?

It's a tough call because some hagwons could use medication as a reason to not hire someone, or to cancel their visa - EPIK might discriminate less, but putting a first time teaching in a room with 40 middleschool boys probably wouldn't be smart for someone with anxiety issues.
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Taryn1



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:27 pm    Post subject: reply Reply with quote

This friend of mine is schizophrenic, but functions very highly and does not have anxiety with kids. I think she would be fine. How do you feel about it?

She has always worked full-time for 20 years.

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NYC_Gal



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not the BEST idea, as the stress of moving to a new country with a different culture could trigger some sort of episode.
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't it ask about past and continuing psych issues on your visa application?
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Taryn1



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:25 pm    Post subject: I'm sure she would be fine Reply with quote

I could see maybe what you are saying, but this friend of mine makes friends very well and would feel at "home" with her new friends, plus she would have me.

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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:30 pm    Post subject: Re: I'm sure she would be fine Reply with quote

Taryn1 wrote:
I could see maybe what you are saying, but this friend of mine makes friends very well and would feel at "home" with her new friends, plus she would have me.

T


Regardless of how well she would deal with the situation, she's likely going to have to lie on her visa application. Considering the illicit substance question, I don't think this is by any means abnormal, but it's a little different to have smoked pot in the past and have an ongoing psychological condition. I wouldn't say she shouldn't do it, but this country doesn't exactly accept mental illness.
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Taryn1



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:54 pm    Post subject: Let's take it further.... Reply with quote

They have psychiatrists in South Korea that hold confidentiality and they would hopefully have a hospital she could stay in if she did need to go there, but I think she would be fine.

The person who previously replied -- my friend has never taken illegal drugs. I'm not sure why you mentioned this. Please explain....

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Globutron



Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang

PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You *think* she would be fine.

That's where the problem lies. Nobody knows that she *will* be fine.

You say she gets on with friends well but what about not getting along with a boss, or all the staff, or all koreans. Or the apartment is terrible or one of the 95,000 things that can and do go wrong. Missing home. I've had lots of friends who thought they were vagabonds only to find themselves in tears wishing they could go home.

A new foreign teacher here had been planning on travelling for years and now she's done it, she can't handle the fact that there is no christmas vacation and only 6 days in the entire year we get off. She can't stand that she works 9+ hour days with no break, or that she gets told off when she does something wrong, etc etc.

Some massive things can happen to you moving away from your comfort zone. Not that I know the details of skitz.
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Taryn1



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My friend has worked for 20 years in the business world and has learned a thing or two on how to work with a boss and co-workers for that matter. She might have a problem working overtime everyday, but I don't think that happens in the public schools.

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NYC_Gal



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But your friend does take drugs, legal or not. She'd have to write on her medical form any drugs that she is taking. If she leaves them out, they'll show up on her medical exam. If she puts them on, they'll want to know what they're for. She should look into a different country.
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 1:37 am    Post subject: Re: Let's take it further.... Reply with quote

Taryn1 wrote:
They have psychiatrists in South Korea that hold confidentiality and they would hopefully have a hospital she could stay in if she did need to go there, but I think she would be fine.

The person who previously replied -- my friend has never taken illegal drugs. I'm not sure why you mentioned this. Please explain....

T


Because on the health questionnaire for an E-2, if I remember correctly, it questions whether you have suffered from mental illness or taken illegal drugs. My point was that lots of teachers lie about the illicit drug use, so it's not exactly odd to lie on your health application, but your friend will have to lie about schizophrenia.
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BreakfastInBed



Joined: 16 Oct 2007
Location: Gyeonggi do

PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't advise your friend to come. In fact, I'd actively discourage her. Maybe she'd be fine. Maybe. Living and working here, especially the first year, can be a real mind f@*# some days, even for the most level headed and open minded. Plus, she'd be working with children. If anything DID happen... I'd rather not think about it. Hell, even if nothing happened, if parents found out about her little problem she could find herself in the center of a very ugly situation very quickly, one with repercussions that could extend far beyond her personal affairs and potentially affect a great many people living and working here.

She will be left unsupervised, in a position of responsibility, with classrooms full of children. This is not the same thing as working in a business environment with other adults. My personal belief, call it prejudice if you like, is that a diagnosed schizophrenic should not work with children. True, I can imagine exceptions to this, but Korea isn't one of them.
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I commend you for wanting to be supportive of your friend but I second everything BreakfastInBed wrote.

"They have psychiatrists in South Korea that hold confidentiality and they would hopefully have a hospital she could stay in if she did need to go there." Honestly, you could count on a ton of bad ramifications.

Do your friend (& yourself) a favor & encourage her to stay where she's comfortable & functional.
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Louis VI



Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:41 am    Post subject: Re: Mental illness Reply with quote

Taryn1 wrote:
I have a friend who wants to come with me to teach in South Korea.

1. Does your friend really want to teach? and overseas? Or is it more about keeping you as a friend?

2. If you are a good friend and will take a job near each other then if things turn ugly you could just fly back home, so go for it. But first judge your own personal commitment level to the friendship.

3. Don't tell any recruiter or Korean employer about it. Just don't.
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