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Mr. Pink

Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:26 pm Post subject:

Koveras wrote:

We didn't learn those things that at Eton.

Thanks for the laugh.

At Public School 145 we didn't learn those things either...Joey whose dad was a garbage man was too embarrassed to tell the other kids.

I remember the guy who used to be in charge of trash collection for my neighborhood was often mocked and laughed at by all the kids. Where are those social lessons you speak of? Someone who cleans crap for a living isn't respected by many...

LGSakers

Joined: 23 Jul 2010

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:37 pm Post subject:

Doesn't mean they shouldn't. Last edited by LGSakers on Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:37 pm; edited 1 time in total

NYC_Gal

Joined: 08 Dec 2009

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:46 pm Post subject:

Koveras wrote:

We didn't learn those things that at Eton.

My ex went to Eton. He had respect for the woman who delivered our flowers every other day, the gentleman who brought our breakfasts, and even the mailman.

I blame your parents. tsk tsk

NYC_Gal

Joined: 08 Dec 2009

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:49 pm Post subject:

Mr. Pink wrote:

Koveras wrote:

We didn't learn those things that at Eton.

Some would say that police officers clean crap for a living as well, only their trash fights back.

I was always friendly to the garbage men. My mom did a good job teaching me values, though.

EDIT: Being polite is not the same as thinking that they are equal. Common courtesy should be universal.

Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:43 pm Post subject:

Mr. Pink wrote:

Koveras wrote:

We didn't learn those things that at Eton.

Fooook, the kids in my school mocked EVERYONE but the Gs and drug dealers.

Just because kids mok someone, does not make it a bad line of work.

Koveras

Joined: 09 Oct 2008

Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:08 am Post subject:

NYC_Gal wrote:

Koveras wrote:

We didn't learn those things that at Eton.

My ex went to Eton. He had respect for the woman who delivered our flowers every other day, the gentleman who brought our breakfasts, and even the mailman.

Even the mailman? That's going too far.

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I blame your parents. tsk tsk

Hardly. Like any decent child I was raised by my nanny.

Koveras

Joined: 09 Oct 2008

Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:23 am Post subject:

Mr. Pink wrote:

Koveras wrote:

We didn't learn those things that at Eton.

Yeah. Jvalmer had the final word on garbagemen back on page 6. It makes me laugh how everyone, even LGSakers, keeps talking about garbagemen, as if admitting that proximity to garbage is the sine qua non of low class. To play off a point Recessiontime made, who can honestly say that they wouldn't be surprised to see a beautiful woman working at a dump? Who can say that it's *all* a matter of opinion, as if garbagemen could be kings if only people believed it? If garbagemen ever acquired any real influence they would quit straightaway and have other people clean up the garbage.

recessiontime

Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha

Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:43 am Post subject:

Koveras wrote:

Mr. Pink wrote:

Koveras wrote:

We didn't learn those things that at Eton.

That's the problem with the masses, they pretty much think everything is a matter of opinion. They are quite inflexible in their thinking. I probably shouldn't say thinking, since it's clear to me that they've basically been indoctrinated by others to think in a certain way without thinking for themselves.

Koveras

Joined: 09 Oct 2008

Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:56 am Post subject:

recessiontime wrote:

I find it unhelpful to think that way. It leads to dwelling on one's own supposed superiority, and then to resenting 'the masses' for not recognizing it as such, and that in turn stymies all intellectual progress.

I'm smart but by and large I don't think for myself. Thinking for oneself is a feature of genius. Everyone does it sometimes, few do it frequently.

recessiontime

Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha

Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:13 am Post subject:

I don't see it as a problem. I think many Americans are fat and this is unhealthy. It's true unfortunately. I don't see myself as superior, but I see the issue as a problem that needs to be looked at. I don't think I am retarding progress but criticizing something that is clearly maladaptive to everyone. I'm not advocating that everyone think about everything in the own way but I'd encourage critical thinking. It's also important to think about what others say and really think about what they are saying instead of going with your gut reaction. For example, some people say eating animals is wrong. My gut reaction to this of course is that they are wrong. I enjoy eating meat a lot. However when I look at the arguments against it, I am convinced by the logic in their arguments that I am wrong about it.

NYC_Gal

Joined: 08 Dec 2009

Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:47 pm Post subject:

Koveras wrote:

NYC_Gal wrote:

Koveras wrote:

We didn't learn those things that at Eton.

My ex went to Eton. He had respect for the woman who delivered our flowers every other day, the gentleman who brought our breakfasts, and even the mailman.

Even the mailman? That's going too far.

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I blame your parents. tsk tsk

Hardly. Like any decent child I was raised by my nanny.

Well, he gave the mailman a huge bonus every Christmas. I see that as being respectful. When he did run into him (often when we took the dogs out) he always had a friendly word. He treated him with respect. It doesn't matter what he thought. He was a gentleman to all servants.

I was fortunate enough to have a mom who stayed home to raise me until kindergarten. Then the nanny came. She wanted to bond with me while I was still that young. I'm very glad that she did.

Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009

Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:45 pm Post subject:

recessiontime wrote:

However when I look at the arguments against it, I am convinced by the logic in their arguments that I am wrong about it.

So you converted to vegetarianism? Or you just continue to engage in what you now believe to be wrong practice?

recessiontime

Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha

Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:34 pm Post subject:

Fox wrote:

recessiontime wrote:

However when I look at the arguments against it, I am convinced by the logic in their arguments that I am wrong about it.

So you converted to vegetarianism? Or you just continue to engage in what you now believe to be wrong practice?

I'm actually in the process right now of weaning off it. I haven't ate meat for about 5 months now.

Leon

Joined: 31 May 2010

Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:59 am Post subject:

recessiontime wrote:

candyteacher wrote:

LGSakers wrote:

recessiontime wrote:

Yeah okay, hot & fat ugly women are equal to you. Obviously, now you are just disagreeing with me for the sake of disagreeing, that's fine. I'm sure everyone else that reads that knows you are full of it. If you had a choice between having a fat ugly wife and a runway model wife you'd really struggle making a decision.

LGSakers wrote:

I value them as equal based solely on the fact they are human beings. I don't quite see where you are going wrong here with what I am saying. I don't give a fark what society says about some fat chick and some knock-out. They are equal as people, to me.

If you really don't believe me, that is fine. You can be as shallow as you want.

Why can't they be equal to him? He's not talking about who he's attracted to, he's talking about them as human beings! Who know perhaps he prefers bigger ladies, many people do.

Its very shallow to assume the hot woman automaticaly has a higher value over the ugly woman. Whos to say that the ugly woman isn't an extremely wealthy business woman?

You guys are changing the subject. This conversation is about class, not about intrinsic value of human beings. There are people we value more than others in society, this much is obvious.

you can't keep adding variables to the situation. All you know about the woman is whether she is ugly or hot. That's all you know.

If you want a better example how about choosing between having

a) a mentally retarded child (has down syndrome)
or
b) a healthy child

Are you still going to say that some people are going to want to have a child with down syndrome? Will you still say these 2 children belong to the same category or class? Obviously only one of them is valued by society the other one isn't.

I'll leave you with some words of wisdom :

Fox wrote:

Class distinctions still exist. You can choose to ignore them if you wish, but they're still a factor in society, and no amount of personal commitment to egalitarianism can simply wish them away.

I don't think that you understand the concept of class. Class has nothing to do with looks or disabilities. I think that what you are talking about is much more prejudiced. To say that a child is valued less because they have down syndrome is a terribly low thing to say. When I talk about things like class I try and do it in a detached way, as a way of understanding how society works, but it sounds like some posters do it in a vindictive manner.

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