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mises
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| [quote="Ya-ta Boy"]Just about two years ago, when the entire economy of the world was in mid-crash mode, bacaspar was on here going on all about how some minor event (in Moldavia or some such place) |
Georgia. And Dick Cheney wanted to attack Russia over it. Bush refused. It was pretty major. Georgia is a very strange little country. It is an Israeli colony with Israeli citizens up and down the government (for example the foreign minister). Russia and Israel are presently locked in a quiet, odd conflict that America should stay out of but won't because of the neo-cons.
He is peaceful. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:47 am Post subject: |
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No, it wasn't Georgia I don't think. It was something or other about some student organization or something. Not really about a country. There was something Jewish about it, if I'm not mistaken.
I'm sure ba can clear it up for us, if he isn't too embarrassed.
What war did Stalin ever start?
Ideologues are not to be trusted, whether they are left or right, and RP is one. Daddy's proudest moment was when Rand said on national TV that although he himself wasn't a slimey, slobbering, drooling, racist bigot, he saw nothing wrong with other slimey, slobbering, drooling, racist bigots keeping people out of their restaurants if they were not lily white. There is not a dime's worth of difference between a Fundamentalist Christian, an extremist Hindu, an extremist Moslem, a Libertarian (or libertarian), a Nazi or a Communist. The details may differ, but the substance is the same.
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| There was something Jewish about it, if I'm not mistaken. |
Georgia. Unless there was another. |
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Kimbop
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 5:44 am Post subject: |
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No, it wasn't Georgia I don't think. It was something or other about some student organization or something. Not really about a country. There was something Jewish about it, if I'm not mistaken.
I'm sure ba can clear it up for us, if he isn't too embarrassed. |
Yat, while I am really touched that you remember me after all this time, my memory is still good enough to know that I have never written anything about Moldavia. I don't suppose you could actually post a link to back up your hot air, I mean keystrokes with. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:52 am Post subject: |
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No, it wasn't Georgia I don't think. It was something or other about some student organization or something. Not really about a country. There was something Jewish about it, if I'm not mistaken.
I'm sure ba can clear it up for us, if he isn't too embarrassed. |
Ah, yes, now I remember. It was neither about Moldavia nor Georgia, but it did involve Dick Cheney.
| On Oct 29, 2007, well over a year before the election when Barack Obama was still a longshot to receive the Democratic nomination and the Yat was supporting Hillary Clinton, in a feat of prediction probably never to be matched on Dave's, bacasper with insightful forewarning wrote: |
For those who believe that one of the leading Democratic or Republican candidates will get us out of the mess we are in, I have some bad news.
As Ralph Nader stated, they are two wings of the same party, both of which are financed by the same people, and peopled by the same apparatus. In 2004, the main fundraiser for Bush was the president of Citibank, and the main fundraiser for Kerry was the vice president of Citibank.
Let's go back to the collapse of the Soviet Union when we were supposed to reap a "peace dividend." What did the rulers do? Well, under Clinton there was a greater expenditure for arms than under Reagan!
In 2001, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Air Force Gen. Richard Myers said, "It is very clear that Afghanistan is only a small piece of the US campaign that could last more than a lifetime." This ideology has been a barrage articulated not only by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al., it is also the litany coming from the Democratic party, e.g. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.
BO said on Sept. 4, 2007: "Hit Iran where it hurts." "Americans need to come together to confront the challenge posed by Iran. The war in Iraq has strengthened Iran which poses for us the greatest strategic challenge in the Middle East in a generation. Iran supports violent groups and sectarians in Iraq. Iran fuels terror and extremism in the Middle East. Iran is making progress on a nuclear program in defiance of the international community. Iran calls for Israel to be wiped off the map." He follows this up by calling for a pre-emptive military strike on Iran.
On Aug. 3, 2007, speaking at Princeton's Woodrow Wilson School of the International School for Scholars, BO called for a US attack on Pakistan, more troops in Afghanistan, and unilateral attacks on Iran and Pakistan, and strengthening the US military and intelligence apparatus across the planet.
You could not fit a sliver of paper in between the ideologies of Dick Cheney and Barack Obama. |
No, not embarrassed at all.  |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
No, it wasn't Georgia I don't think. It was something or other about some student organization or something. Not really about a country. There was something Jewish about it, if I'm not mistaken.
I'm sure ba can clear it up for us, if he isn't too embarrassed. |
Ah, yes, now I remember. It was neither about Moldavia nor Georgia, but it did involve Dick Cheney.
| On Oct 29, 2007, well over a year before the election when Barack Obama was still a longshot to receive the Democratic nomination and the Yat was supporting Hillary Clinton, in a feat of prediction probably never to be matched on Dave's, bacasper with insightful forewarning wrote: |
For those who believe that one of the leading Democratic or Republican candidates will get us out of the mess we are in, I have some bad news.
As Ralph Nader stated, they are two wings of the same party, both of which are financed by the same people, and peopled by the same apparatus. In 2004, the main fundraiser for Bush was the president of Citibank, and the main fundraiser for Kerry was the vice president of Citibank.
Let's go back to the collapse of the Soviet Union when we were supposed to reap a "peace dividend." What did the rulers do? Well, under Clinton there was a greater expenditure for arms than under Reagan!
In 2001, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Air Force Gen. Richard Myers said, "It is very clear that Afghanistan is only a small piece of the US campaign that could last more than a lifetime." This ideology has been a barrage articulated not only by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al., it is also the litany coming from the Democratic party, e.g. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.
BO said on Sept. 4, 2007: "Hit Iran where it hurts." "Americans need to come together to confront the challenge posed by Iran. The war in Iraq has strengthened Iran which poses for us the greatest strategic challenge in the Middle East in a generation. Iran supports violent groups and sectarians in Iraq. Iran fuels terror and extremism in the Middle East. Iran is making progress on a nuclear program in defiance of the international community. Iran calls for Israel to be wiped off the map." He follows this up by calling for a pre-emptive military strike on Iran.
On Aug. 3, 2007, speaking at Princeton's Woodrow Wilson School of the International School for Scholars, BO called for a US attack on Pakistan, more troops in Afghanistan, and unilateral attacks on Iran and Pakistan, and strengthening the US military and intelligence apparatus across the planet.
You could not fit a sliver of paper in between the ideologies of Dick Cheney and Barack Obama. |
No, not embarrassed at all. |
I'd say your prediction is dead wrong them considering that Obama is the one keeping Israel from attacking Iran which I can hardly imagine Cheny doing, bit more than a piece of paper there. |
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The Happy Warrior
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:59 am Post subject: |
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What war did Stalin ever start?
Ideologues are not to be trusted, whether they are left or right, and RP is one. Daddy's proudest moment was when Rand said on national TV that although he himself wasn't a slimey, slobbering, drooling, racist bigot, he saw nothing wrong with other slimey, slobbering, drooling, racist bigots keeping people out of their restaurants if they were not lily white. There is not a dime's worth of difference between a Fundamentalist Christian, an extremist Hindu, an extremist Moslem, a Libertarian (or libertarian), a Nazi or a Communist. The details may differ, but the substance is the same. |
Ya-Ta Boy is confusing, or perhaps deliberately trying to associate, Ron Paul with proponents of the Paranoid Style. Granted, there's a lot of Paranoid Style on these boards, both of the leftist kind (9-11 is a gov't conspiracy), and of the rightist variety (int'l bankers control all gov'ts), and those who advocate these theories also advocate Ron Paul. The association is easy to make, but Ron Paul is not his supporters.
But it is also universally recognized that today's Congress exists to serve special interests. Whereas the liberals (I DONT mean Obama) want to cut into military spending, and the conservatives want to cut into social spending, and both parties are afraid of cutting into entitlements, Ron Paul wants to cut funding against all the special interests across the board. He is not selective. He is consistent.
For this, he is portrayed as an ideologue. Perhaps its because he makes both the other parties look like special hypocrites. |
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Koveras
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| Hey, at least we've got style. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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You should get 3 Jeffrey Goldberg autographed subscriptions to The Atlantic for that reference. Maybe Lord Rothschild will throw in an Economist subscription too.. And maybe a job a Reuters and/or The Associated Press? |
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The Happy Warrior
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You should get 3 Jeffrey Goldberg autographed subscriptions to The Atlantic for that reference. Maybe Lord Rothschild will throw in an Economist subscription too.. And maybe a job a Reuters and/or The Associated Press? |
I've never seen Goldberg reference it. But that could be because I don't follow him consistently.
I am thinking of converting to Judaism in the tough job market, though. Although without an Ivy degree it may not be enough. I guess I'll have to marry Jewish, too. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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You should get 3 Jeffrey Goldberg autographed subscriptions to The Atlantic for that reference. Maybe Lord Rothschild will throw in an Economist subscription too.. And maybe a job a Reuters and/or The Associated Press? |
I've never seen Goldberg reference it. But that could be because I don't follow him consistently.
I am thinking of converting to Judaism in the tough job market, though. Although without an Ivy degree it may not be enough. I guess I'll have to marry Jewish, too. |
I think you'll be ok just the way you are. |
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eIn07912
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Well it's obvious bacasper is pitching a major tent over this. I hate to be the one to kill your boner man, but Paul doesn't stand a chance.
In fact, if he does run (which isn't likely) he's only going to further exacerbate the split on the right. He will pull libertarians, small government conservatives, and a minority of the anti-war liberals. Palin (who I also think isn't going to run) is at least going to do her part to faction off the tea partiers and evangelicals behind Huckabee or some other far right wing nut. And the establishment GOP will be funneling all the money it can behind Romney and his Wall Street, ubber rich friendly running mate Pawlenty.
The Dems and the Progressives are going to consolidate behind the President again and this may be an even bigger blowout than 2008.
We are seeing the end of the Republican party and modern American conservatism as it is currently defined. W was the last person to be able to maintain Reagan's legacy of "big tent" republicanism. Look at the midterm primaries going on across the country right now. The tea party and the GOP are frantically fighting off each other isolating moderates and independents along the way. I do think it is possible we see a third or even fourth major party emerge in the coming years. For the longest people thought it would be on the left. And the progressives may pull away from the democrats eventually, but I think you're more likely to see a major split on the right. It's going to at least split between the Tea Party and the GOP, but there may even be enough disillusioned libertarians that we may finally see America's most legitimate third party finally get a time to shine. |
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Triban
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| He won't win so it really doesn't matter but Leon, you're forgetting one important position the President has: Commander-in-Chief. |
What are the Pre-reqs to get that feat? I'm assuming you need Leadership first or cohort and a Charisma of at least 15? |
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cdninkorea
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Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| As I said two years ago, economic crises bring the wackos out of the woodwork, and RP is a good example of that. |
How exactly is he a wacko? Is it because he wants the federal gov't to strictly follow the US Constitution? If so, men like Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Franklin, etc. are my kind of wackos.
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| RP�s isolationist attitude runs right smack up against the bring-on-Armageddon wing of the Republicans. |
Paul is no isolationist. On the contrary, he wants open trade and good relations with other nations without forcing them to do anything, i.e. meddling in their affrairs. What gives the US the right/ forces them to take on the duty of policing the world?
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| I will confidently predict however that no more than about 1.37% of registered Democrats would be caught dead voting for him. In fact, a Democrat would have to be dead to even consider voting for him. |
Maybe you're right. I'm hoping a lot of Democrats will become Republicans when they see what kind of Republican Ron Paul is.
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| Who, aside from the denizens of Dave�s would vote for him? Women, who his allies say should bear the child of a rapist? |
He doesn't like abortion for religious reasons (that bothers me too, you're not alone on that), but he wants it to be up to the states, since, and I'm paraphrasing here, "the bigger and more difficult the decision, the more it should be decided at local levels."
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| Environmentalists who are not fooled by the anti-science crowd, including the Koch Brothers? |
Pardon my ignorance, but I don't understand this.
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| The unemployed who are held hostage by the right wing on unemployment benefits? |
Maybe. I can't say.
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| The 2/3�s who think the cultural center has a constitutional right to be built, no matter their personal opinion? |
Ron Paul supports the right of Muslims to build a cultural center wherever they want. As he believes in the US Constitution, he believes in property rights.
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| The 80% (?) who were appalled at the Citizens United decision? The blacks who are disgusted at the nonsense about the only 3 members of the New Black Panther Party? |
I can't comment on these as I don't know anything about them.
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| The Hispanics who are being told they will have to carry their papers around all the time in Arizona? Gays who want to get married? |
I think he's against that law in Arizona. As for gay marriage, he wants government out of marriage altogether.
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| That pretty much only leaves the libertarians, who although they won�t admit it, want to deconstruct the national government and turn all power over to the corporations. |
I won't admit it because it's not true.
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| Ideologues are not to be trusted, whether they are left or right, and RP is one. Daddy's proudest moment was when Rand said on national TV that although he himself wasn't a slimey, slobbering, drooling, racist bigot, he saw nothing wrong with other slimey, slobbering, drooling, racist bigots keeping people out of their restaurants if they were not lily white. There is not a dime's worth of difference between a Fundamentalist Christian, an extremist Hindu, an extremist Moslem, a Libertarian (or libertarian), a Nazi or a Communist. The details may differ, but the substance is the same. |
I'd rather an idealogue than a pragmatist, who changes their viewpoints at whim and without justification, resulting in inconsistent decisions and unhappy voters. At least with Ron Paul, you know what he's going to do because of his consistent voting record in the House and because he follows a consistent ideology.
As for Rand Paul, he never said he sees nothing wrong with racism. Quite the contrary, he said he's opposed to it, and said it's the government's place to fight it in public places. Private businesses have a right to be racist if they want to be. I've been refused service at Korean bars becuase I'm not Korean, and while it bothers me a lot, I don't think the government has a place in telling me they have to serve me. After all, it's their business, isn't it? |
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