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bacasper
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 Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:29 am Post subject: Lawsuit challenges Obama's assassinations |
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I suppose it is better to assassinate than be assassinated.
Lawsuit Challenges Obama Administration`s Targeted Assassination Policy
Posted: 2010/09/01
From: Mathaba
In February, then Director of National Intelligence Dennis C. Blair acknowledged it saying CIA operatives and Special Forces death squads have been authorized to kill US citizens abroad, suspected of terrorist involvement.
Disapproval came from an unlikely source, Hollywood tough guy Chuck Norris in an article titled, "Obama's US Assassination Program? 'A Shortlist of US Citizens Specfically Targeted for Killing?" saying:
It's true, an "abandonment of our Constitution....based on nothing more than" suspicion of terrorist involvement. "That's right. No arrest. No Miranda rights. No due process. No trial. Just a bullet," bomb or slit throat, Washington's new approach along with torture as official policy - justice, American-style under Republicans and Democrats, Obama even more extreme than Bush, the rule of law defunct and defiled, the "land of the free" disgraced, the entire world unsafe.
Enough to arouse the ire of the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) and ACLU, on August 30, filing a federal lawsuit (Al-Aulaqi v. Obama) challenging America's right to kill US citizens abroad in cold blood "far away from any armed conflict and without charge, trial or judicial process," the way the Obama administration interprets US and international law.
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:36 am Post subject: Re: Lawsuit challenges Obama's assassinations |
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| bacasper wrote: |
I suppose it is better to assassinate than be assassinated.
Lawsuit Challenges Obama Administration`s Targeted Assassination Policy
Posted: 2010/09/01
From: Mathaba
In February, then Director of National Intelligence Dennis C. Blair acknowledged it saying CIA operatives and Special Forces death squads have been authorized to kill US citizens abroad, suspected of terrorist involvement.
Disapproval came from an unlikely source, Hollywood tough guy Chuck Norris in an article titled, "Obama's US Assassination Program? 'A Shortlist of US Citizens Specfically Targeted for Killing?" saying:
It's true, an "abandonment of our Constitution....based on nothing more than" suspicion of terrorist involvement. "That's right. No arrest. No Miranda rights. No due process. No trial. Just a bullet," bomb or slit throat, Washington's new approach along with torture as official policy - justice, American-style under Republicans and Democrats, Obama even more extreme than Bush, the rule of law defunct and defiled, the "land of the free" disgraced, the entire world unsafe.
Enough to arouse the ire of the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) and ACLU, on August 30, filing a federal lawsuit (Al-Aulaqi v. Obama) challenging America's right to kill US citizens abroad in cold blood "far away from any armed conflict and without charge, trial or judicial process," the way the Obama administration interprets US and international law.
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The US isn't just a police state ... it's an evil, fascist-socialist police state. |
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Man on Street
Joined: 28 Aug 2010
Location: In the Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| You two are the next targets. Watch your back! |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:12 am Post subject: |
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| So much has been lost since 9/11. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| So much has been lost since 9/11. |
How convenient. |
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El Exigente
Joined: 10 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:18 am Post subject: Re: Lawsuit challenges Obama's assassinations |
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| ontheway wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
I suppose it is better to assassinate than be assassinated.
Lawsuit Challenges Obama Administration`s Targeted Assassination Policy
Posted: 2010/09/01
From: Mathaba
In February, then Director of National Intelligence Dennis C. Blair acknowledged it saying CIA operatives and Special Forces death squads have been authorized to kill US citizens abroad, suspected of terrorist involvement.
Disapproval came from an unlikely source, Hollywood tough guy Chuck Norris in an article titled, "Obama's US Assassination Program? 'A Shortlist of US Citizens Specfically Targeted for Killing?" saying:
It's true, an "abandonment of our Constitution....based on nothing more than" suspicion of terrorist involvement. "That's right. No arrest. No Miranda rights. No due process. No trial. Just a bullet," bomb or slit throat, Washington's new approach along with torture as official policy - justice, American-style under Republicans and Democrats, Obama even more extreme than Bush, the rule of law defunct and defiled, the "land of the free" disgraced, the entire world unsafe.
Enough to arouse the ire of the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) and ACLU, on August 30, filing a federal lawsuit (Al-Aulaqi v. Obama) challenging America's right to kill US citizens abroad in cold blood "far away from any armed conflict and without charge, trial or judicial process," the way the Obama administration interprets US and international law.
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The US isn't just a police state ... it's an evil, fascist-socialist police state. |
I guess you're right.
Saturday, Sep 25, 2010 15:26 ET
Obama argues his assassination program is a "state secret"
By Glenn Greenwald
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| At this point, I didn't believe it was possible, but the Obama administration has just reached an all-new low in its abysmal civil liberties record. In response to the lawsuit filed by Anwar Awlaki's father asking a court to enjoin the President from assassinating his son, a U.S. citizen, without any due process, the administration late last night, according to The Washington Post, filed a brief asking the court to dismiss the lawsuit without hearing the merits of the claims. That's not surprising: both the Bush and Obama administrations have repeatedly insisted that their secret conduct is legal but nonetheless urge courts not to even rule on its legality. But what's most notable here is that one of the arguments the Obama DOJ raises to demand dismissal of this lawsuit is "state secrets": in other words, not only does the President have the right to sentence Americans to death with no due process or charges of any kind, but his decisions as to who will be killed and why he wants them dead are "state secrets," and thus no court may adjudicate their legality. |
Someone please tell me this story is wrong. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:31 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| So much has been lost since 9/11. |
So true. I have almost zero faith in our gov't, but I know the American people. Aside from your to-be-expected percentage of douchebags we're generally a good people. Many are a little on the heavy side, to be sure, but by-and-large we're basically alright.
Maybe I'm being way too optimistic, but I suspect this is just a dark chapter in our history. Lessons will be learned (however slowly and painfully) and the pendulum will swing. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:59 am Post subject: |
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Maybe I'm being way too optimistic, but I suspect this is just a dark chapter in our history. Lessons will be learned (however slowly and painfully) and the pendulum will swing. |
Insha'allah.  |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| While there might should be a due process for state assassination (I am undecided), considering that the American in question, is committing treason by actively encouraging terrorism against America, I don't think that Obama is horribly out of line with this program. |
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Capo
Joined: 09 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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I support torture and targeted assinations in the right circumstances. I think pretty much everyone would when put in the right situation.
The movie 'Unthinkable' explores this topic very well, a must watch for those on both sides of the debate. |
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ThingsComeAround
Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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I'm thinking this won't be anything like Apocalypse Now, would it? Who knows what constitutes 'a terrorist act' these days? Could it be visiting Yemen? Throwing a piss-filled water balloon at an Israeli soldier? Giving a Marine at the embassy the finger?
The US is turning out to become more and more like China everyday  |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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| While there might should be a due process for state assassination (I am undecided), considering that the American in question, is committing treason by actively encouraging terrorism against America, I don't think that Obama is horribly out of line with this program. |
You don't think it's out of line for the government to kill American citizens in non-combat situations without a trial? Look at the justification you used: actively encouraging terrorism against America. Do you really think the government should have the right to murder any citizen it feels is "encouraging terrorism against America" without so much as a trial? Hell, I don't want the government killing people for this even after a trial. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 4:59 am Post subject: |
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| Konglishman wrote: |
| While there might should be a due process for state assassination (I am undecided), considering that the American in question, is committing treason by actively encouraging terrorism against America, I don't think that Obama is horribly out of line with this program. |
You don't think it's out of line for the government to kill American citizens in non-combat situations without a trial? Look at the justification you used: actively encouraging terrorism against America. Do you really think the government should have the right to murder any citizen it feels is "encouraging terrorism against America" without so much as a trial? Hell, I don't want the government killing people for this even after a trial. |
Right. And who is a terrorist? The DHS has said that constitutionalists and Ron Paul supporters are 'potential terrorists'. In Penn the government suggested that anti-war protesters were terrorists. Shit, that's me three times over.
The state should not have the right to kill her own citizens. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:07 am Post subject: |
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| While there might should be a due process for state assassination (I am undecided), considering that the American in question, is committing treason by actively encouraging terrorism against America, I don't think that Obama is horribly out of line with this program. |
Yeah f that whole constitution thing! I mean hello, it was written over 200 years ago, what use is it to us in this moden era?? |
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Capo
Joined: 09 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:09 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| Konglishman wrote: |
| While there might should be a due process for state assassination (I am undecided), considering that the American in question, is committing treason by actively encouraging terrorism against America, I don't think that Obama is horribly out of line with this program. |
You don't think it's out of line for the government to kill American citizens in non-combat situations without a trial? Look at the justification you used: actively encouraging terrorism against America. Do you really think the government should have the right to murder any citizen it feels is "encouraging terrorism against America" without so much as a trial? Hell, I don't want the government killing people for this even after a trial. |
Right. And who is a terrorist? The DHS has said that constitutionalists and Ron Paul supporters are 'potential terrorists'. In Penn the government suggested that anti-war protesters were terrorists. Shit, that's me three times over.
The state should not have the right to kill her own citizens. |
but it would be fine if there were mexican's or something, right? People who focus on the fact they are Americans are missing the point of what debate should be about.
The reason to assinate is because they are deemed a threat to others if they are alive, focusing on nationality just makes you all look like Hitler's henchment or something like being an American makes your superior or maybe just a bunch of hicks. |
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