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morakanokbs
Joined: 24 Aug 2010
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:10 am Post subject: |
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just curious |
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Drew10
Joined: 31 Mar 2009
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:13 am Post subject: |
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for those of you who were ex-military, what are you doing in Korea and why are you here? |
I met my wife when I was stationed here. We spent some time in the states, and she wanted to come home for a while. Not a major problem for me, I had already been here and sort of knew what to expect. The only difference is, I can't get on base without a service member these days. |
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Died By Bear

Joined: 13 Jul 2010 Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 3:36 am Post subject: |
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I was in A Co. (the "attack" company), 1/503 INF. 2ID from 1990 to 1993. I was in formation at the end of the DMZ unit rotations in 1991. Then I transferred to a unit at "The Hump" in 1993 for my last year in the army.
I was supposed to join my unit at Ft. Steward when they deployed to the Gulf during Operation Desert Shield, but I came down on orders to go to Korea. But I had already seen combat before I came.
Prior to coming to Korea, my unit at Ft. Steward, GA was attached to 5ID during Operation Just Cause in Panama back in 1989 and it was there I got my Purple Heart for getting shot during an ambush. Ironically, the Purple Heart was what helped me get my job with USFK in 2003.
I worked as a Director for a MACOM at Yongsan from 2003 until 2010 when I was put on assignment with a joint ISAF/NATO multinational agency that provides logistics for the upcoming Kandahar offensive.
I should be getting my promotion to GS-14 while I'm here and I am waiting for an Area-level slot to open up in one of the 6 military regions in Korea- though, I hope to be assigned to a Senior GS position in Area-II (Yongsan USAG), but I would be happy getting assigned in Area III (Osan or Humphreys)....I'm not picky. |
Do we still have JUSMAG? My dad was career military, and he almost went over to them, but they were downsizing in the 1980's when he retired. There were all kinds of Jusmag people living in the countries we lived in, I think he said it had something to do with NATO. |
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mc_jc

Joined: 13 Aug 2009 Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 5:32 am Post subject: |
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Do we still have JUSMAG? My dad was career military, and he almost went over to them, but they were downsizing in the 1980's when he retired. There were all kinds of Jusmag people living in the countries we lived in, I think he said it had something to do with NATO. |
JUSMAG is part of a joint project by the DoS and the DoD as they both secure personnel to go to certain countries to assist in training their armies.
It's still around, but not in as greater numbers as it was back in the 80's and 90's. Alot of them work at the training schools, such as The Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation (or the School of the Americas), where foreign military officers go to learn military drill.
But here in Afghanistan, ISAF/NATO-CTC provides soldiers from member nations to do the job that a battalion of JUSMAG would be tasked to do.
However, these days, foreign training officers for allied governments are just sent to US military training schools to learn training techniques. |
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MA_TESOL

Joined: 11 Nov 2007 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 4:21 pm Post subject: In Uijungbu |
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I was stationed at CRC in Uijungbu in 1971-72. I have seen a lot of changes in Korea. Yes. I am geriatric |
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gahampt
Joined: 10 Sep 2009 Location: ansan, korea
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Army 1989-95 |
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wiganer
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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Is there a theme or is it the alcohol getting to me?! |
I blame it on the alcohol.
It's ok, I think it was perfectly ok the way Her Majesty's army picked people off the street in Northern Ireland and imprisoned them without charges for years on end during "The Troubles".
Not to mention how they funded and trained the Ulster paramilitaries to go after innocent civilians.
Also, British troops never committed any crimes in a place called Basra.
Yeah- Britain has 'clean' hands. |
You are a joke.
Britian won their wars in Malaya, Kenya, Borneo, The Suez and I will also say Northern Ireland as the IRA have more or less disbanded and Northern Ireland is still part of the UK and British troops are still stationed there. As you know by now with Iraq and Afghanistan - an army will always have trouble fighting armed civillian militias. I am pretty sure if it were the Americans in there, you would have carpeted the falls road long before 1972.
We won our wars in the jungle - something the Americans couldn't do - nowhere were the British ran out of town on the last helicopter like you lot on Saigon in 1975.
And finally, everytime - from Korea to Iraq - Britain has been at your side helping you fight your wars because you have always asked for our assistance. Next time you want to illegally invade a country - ask the IRA to pitch in so none of our lads have to come back in flag draped coffins fighting your wars - ungrateful yank tosser. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Agreed England has always been at our side. There really does exist a 'special relationship' between the two governments if not always by its people.
I would even suggest that the Ameican government is closer allied to the UK than it is to Canada, the country we share a long border with and the closest country to America in terms of language and culture.
America has also needed England in back channel communication and negotiations in a plethora of intermational situations.
I'm not anglophile, just acknowledging what is fact.
In prior post there seems to be some animosity toward American military and in some cases blame the military for what our ELECTED government has done. The soldiers are doing their job. The military is one of the best places for poor, under educated and others in society to better themselves.
I live in a military town and a few of them get on my nerves. In fact, I want to move to a city without the military. It sounds like a dichotomy but I have many friends in the military where I am. The no curfew thing has made the few bars in my little town just too inundated and I want a change amongst other things. Anyway, there are loads of teachers that I don't like as well. A lot of us are the stereotypical 'ugly American'.
I take people indvidually and one at a time and not try to generalize any group of people. Its what people do about racial and ethnic groups. Its just as wrong against the military as ell. |
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mc_jc

Joined: 13 Aug 2009 Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Britian won their wars in Malaya, Kenya, Borneo, The Suez |
However, the UK couldn't sustain any insurgency for anytime longer than 2 years. And they used some pretty barbaric tactics, similar or even more horrific than the U.S. used in either of its wars. Not to mention the use of exterminating whole villages that supported the insurgencies that you mentioned.
Afterward, Britain took the face-saving move of giving them independence rather than face many more years of guarilla warfare
As for N. Ireland, it was a draw, not a win. Neither side was winning and it was the UK that held out the olive branch to the IRA for talks. I don't think you can call a power-sharing deal between Sinn Fein and her majesty's governor a 'complete' victory.
And the Suez was an Israeli-led incursion that was backed up by both the British and the French to keep the canal open.
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Britain has been at your side helping you fight your wars because you have always asked for our assistance. |
It's called NATO.
Also, as the poster mentioned above mentioned, the US and the UK has a tremendous reliance on each other that goes back to the founding of the colonies. The cultural ties, although strained, has always maintained.
As for Britain always aiding the US? I remember until almost 70 years ago that it was the US always aiding Britain during both world wars. Also, Britain would not have done so well with its insurgencies without logistical help from the US (remember, the UK was virtually bankrupt in the post-WWII years and it was the US Marshal Plan that enabled to help the UK get on its feet again, as well as the rest of Europe).
If it were not for the constant supply chain during the war, you would be speaking German.
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Hotwire
Joined: 29 Aug 2010 Location: Multiverse
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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^^^
I call your troll post and raise you Gitmo. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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The pre WW2 colonial model was simply unsustainable after WW2 so pretty much all the european powers that had colonies stretched around the globe couldn't maintain them financially and in some cases militarily.
As for WW2, it was a war that HAD to be fought. I think as Americans we like to think we saved Europe but I like to think we all saved each other. Had England, parts of France as well as the USSR failed, eventually we'd be next for Nazi Germany. We entered both world wars 'late'. With the exception of Hawaii we were also fortunate there was no domestic rebuilding that we had to do. London and a few other cities were bombed out and the rest of Europe was a shambles.
I think both countries needed each other. Also, both countries had wars that failed. America's are obvious. The UK didn't get the biggest empire by losing wars. They were not successful on several occasions. It comes with the territory.
Until the U.S. could build its diplomatic credentials, it was the UK that helped it when we first stopped being isolationist. As it was American military presense that helped the UK an Europe rebuild their economies after WW2 and basically allowed these countries to use money that would have otherwise have gone for defense into their domestic economies. We were NATO for the first few decades. |
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mc_jc

Joined: 13 Aug 2009 Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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I call your troll post and raise you Gitmo |
Ok....I see your 'troll post and Gitmo' and raise you the British concentration camps in South Africa after the Boer Wars where the British herded thousands of Afrikaaners into small pens and virtually starved them to death. |
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mc_jc

Joined: 13 Aug 2009 Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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The main point of these barbs started with 9/11 when Al Qaeda showed the world that the US was not immune from international terrorism.
However, instead of taking a measured response, we went after them and took Afghanistan from both the Taliban and Al Qaeda- we won.
But I do place a lot of blame on Bush for screwing up the momentum there. He and his administration squandered billions of dollars in weapons and logistics to fight a 'personal squabble' he had with Saddam- while opening up a can of worms.
I am a firm believer in Operation Enduring Freedom, but I am not a supporter of Operation Iraqi Freedom. Had we stayed the course in Afghanistan, we wouldn't have the problems we have now.
The invasion of Afghanistan was pretty sound and organized because it was in the works since 1998. The idea to topple Saddam came after the initial wins in Afghanistan. The problem was that the Bush administration was listening too much to the State Departments assessment that Afghanistan was virtually free of the Taliban and welcomed the new government. The Defense Department wanted to continue the fight and the hunt for the higher echelons of Al Qaeda leadership. Afghanistan became a forgotten war for the next 7 years. |
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Hotwire
Joined: 29 Aug 2010 Location: Multiverse
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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I re-raise all in with 'Manifest Destiny' over 'Indian Removal.' |
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mc_jc

Joined: 13 Aug 2009 Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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I see you and I raise 'Bloody Sunday' and British tolerance of Apartheid and removing African farmers from their lands to make room for white farmers in South Africa and the Rhodesias. I also raise you one British support of the Rhodesian War in order to monopolize the diamond industry there. |
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