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Italy37612
Joined: 25 Jan 2010
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| shinramyun wrote: |
LOL, you CAN NOT own a gun unless you are a person affiliated with police or army in south korea. ITS ILLEGAL AND ITS CONSIDERED CAPITAL OFFENSE IF YOU DO OWN IT. . |
^ This
Not sure if it is a capital offense though.
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nathanrutledge
Joined: 01 May 2008
Location: Marakesh
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| Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| shinramyun wrote: |
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It's not a capital offense to own a gun here. SK doesn't even enforce it's capital punishment system these days; they signed an international treaty against the death penalty a few years back, so while it's technically still the law, they don't enforce it.
You CAN own a gun in Korea and you CAN keep it in your home. One of my coworkers owned one. She carried it in her purse. As a gun owner back in the US, I was curious about the laws here. I asked her about owning a gun and she told me her husband had just bought one. I asked if it was kept at the police station. Her answer? "What good is a gun at the POLICE STATION?!?" My thoughts exactly.
Anyway, you have to fill out paperwork, but you can own a gun. There was a trap shooting range near my house in Hwaseong and I've seen the range in Danyang. The only gun I have not seen in person in Korea is a rifle. Handguns and shotguns are okay, rifles, I don't know. |
LOL, you CAN NOT own a gun unless you are a person affiliated with police or army in south korea. ITS ILLEGAL AND ITS CONSIDERED CAPITAL OFFENSE IF YOU DO OWN IT. You disagree? Go ask your local korean police officer or any korean who knows gun control law. What you saw was a gas pistol. It's not a real pistol but it looks like one and it shoots gas instead of lead. |
Except for the fact that I am a prolific gun owner back home and I've seen a gas gun here and I've seen a real gun here. Show me the relevant Korean law where it says its illegal and a capital offense. I've personally seen a real gun with real bullets in South Korea. I've personally held said real gun with real bullets in it in South Korea. You can go to Lotte World and fire a real gun with real bullets. There were a bunch of Japanese tourists killed in a fire in Busan earlier this year at a gun range with real guns and real bullets.
Since I can't prove a negative, the onus is on you to prove a positive, that it is illegal and a crime punishable by death. Good luck on that one.  |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| having a gun available in a gun range is not the same as being able to keep one in your home. |
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nathanrutledge
Joined: 01 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| having a gun available in a gun range is not the same as being able to keep one in your home. |
True, but it does defeat the asinine comment that you'll be executed if you are not a police officer or soldier and you have one. |
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kimchi_pizza
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"
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| Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| Italy37612 wrote: |
| shinramyun wrote: |
LOL, you CAN NOT own a gun unless you are a person affiliated with police or army in south korea. ITS ILLEGAL AND ITS CONSIDERED CAPITAL OFFENSE IF YOU DO OWN IT. . |
^ This
Not sure if it is a capital offense though. |
It is. UNLESS it's registered. Even a martial artist's sword has to be registered at a local KNP station. But getting that registration for a pistol/revolver or any of the sort? It's near impossible. Even having bullet cartridges is illegal and liable to heavy fines and incarceration unless you report them and turn them in. |
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kimchi_pizza
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
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whattheheck,
It's late, had a few beers and can't sleep so I'll tell a cute lil bed time story....
I was with the 55th MP Company based in Chuncheon. Platoons take a turn for a little field training exercise (FTX) out in the hills'n rice paddies. It was the Headquarter's turn.
They left and after what was supposed to be a six day exercise, returned after 3 days.
The story? Most platoons were supposed to have 50/50 security meaning 50% of the men were supposed to be awake pulling security throughout the night. The other half could rest.
I guess HQ company didn't do that.
While they were sleeping peacefully in their little 2 man pup tents, some local Koreans, farmers probably, freely walked into their camp. They had the talent and gall to lift half of the pup tent, lay it to the side and remove EVERYTHING from between the sleeping soldiers....equipment, personal effects, belts, you-name-it....amazing. Yet, not a soldier woke up and no one was caught. Nearly half the soldiers were robbed. The ONLY thing not touched, removed or stolen were the weapons. Simply because then it would be a capital offence.
It was quite comical to see the company commander, et al, roll quietly into base camp in their hummers with heads down and ashamed (which I did see!)
The office that issues such military equipment must've had a field day! pun intended! |
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laguna
Joined: 27 Jun 2010
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| Yeah, well don't take too many potshots at the US. Guarantee you that if people(other than the military) could have guns, the crime rate in Korea would be sky high. I mean, the sheer murder committed on road rage in this place would be massive. And high speed chases...yeah, too crowded for those. As a result, Korea's force doesn't need speed demon cars and militant cops. |
I disagree....if someone is going to kill someone...they will do it with or without a gun.
Many times of course, a gun makes it easier to commit a crime, but many crimes are done without a gun.
Korea has thousands of people in prison for murder without killing someone using a gun!
Now sure, the U.S. has more people in prison...it also has one of the largest populations also!
Someone posted...if koreans had guns the crime rate would go high.....well....koreans DO have guns. No all, but this country is full of illegal guns. I know hundreds and hundreds of koreans from over the years and the majority have a gun or two...of course, they are not suppose to.
And what's with the cops....many carry a gun but no bullets! Or wear holsters with no weapon! |
In response to population levels and incarceration rates
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate
USA 760 /100,000
SA 334/100,000
NZ 185/100,000
UK 152/100,000
Aust 129/100,000
SK 97/100,000
While this stat is quite amazing it is some what misleading as laws and sentencing varies from country to country. A better stat might be murder rate
USA 5.4/100,000
SK 2.18/100,000
The simple fact is it is easier to kill someone with a gun than it is with a knife, baseball bat or hands. It is quicker, less personal, less messy and simply easier.
Your claim that the majority of Koreans have guns. I'm sorry I just don't believe this. If you said most farmers have guns it might have a grain of truth. (However I still wouldn't believe it). Did you know it is a capital offense here? and while gun ownership is allowed, the gun must be kept at the police station.
How do you know that the gun has no bullets? Any way I for one love the fact that the police don't need guns here.
http://www.travelblog.org/Asia/South-Korea/Gyeonggi-do/Seongnam/Bundang/blog-125027.html While i don't agree with everything here and I don't think the relative safety here is solely caused by harsh gun laws, it is a nice read. |
When you make more laws that can be broken, and then actually enforce those extra laws, the rate will be higher.
I agree with you on the point about guns, which is why knives are a hell of a lot scarier. When I was in London, there were nightly stabbings on the tube to the point where it was an epidemic.
Which do you think would be scarier, a man in a crowded place with a loud gun people will run away from, or a man with a large knife stabbing at random and staying hidden in the crowd. You can defend against a gun on mere odds as it's really hard to kill with a gun unless it's to a vital spot, a knife on the other hand is considered a weapon you cannot defend against. One slash can cover sever cubic inches and multiple vital organs and will cause a slow and agonizing death.
A knife is ALWAYS superior up close. In face, even a trained specialist will tell you all you can do against a knife up close is run or pray, as even with the knowledge a successful defense of a knife only happens about 20% of the time.
I've actually seen a knife fatality happen up close. A guy pulled out a knife and was able to stab a man in the heard and cut him across his chest a half dozen times before he even felt the blade. You can't just defend with your arm either as a cut that that deep into your arm will cause you to go into immediate shock.
Guns are scary because they are loud, knives are scary because they cause a lot of damage before actually die and are a lot harder to defend against.
Here's some fun information on knife defense myths
http://ezinearticles.com/?Self-defense-Against-a-Knife:-Myths,-Fantasies-and-How-to-Stay-Alive,-Part-One&id=320215
People will always find weapons, why take them away from the ones that are very likely to use them offensively? |
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blackjack
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: anyang
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| Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:04 am Post subject: |
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| laguna wrote: |
| blackjack wrote: |
| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
| Wishmaster wrote: |
| Yeah, well don't take too many potshots at the US. Guarantee you that if people(other than the military) could have guns, the crime rate in Korea would be sky high. I mean, the sheer murder committed on road rage in this place would be massive. And high speed chases...yeah, too crowded for those. As a result, Korea's force doesn't need speed demon cars and militant cops. |
I disagree....if someone is going to kill someone...they will do it with or without a gun.
Many times of course, a gun makes it easier to commit a crime, but many crimes are done without a gun.
Korea has thousands of people in prison for murder without killing someone using a gun!
Now sure, the U.S. has more people in prison...it also has one of the largest populations also!
Someone posted...if koreans had guns the crime rate would go high.....well....koreans DO have guns. No all, but this country is full of illegal guns. I know hundreds and hundreds of koreans from over the years and the majority have a gun or two...of course, they are not suppose to.
And what's with the cops....many carry a gun but no bullets! Or wear holsters with no weapon! |
In response to population levels and incarceration rates
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate
USA 760 /100,000
SA 334/100,000
NZ 185/100,000
UK 152/100,000
Aust 129/100,000
SK 97/100,000
While this stat is quite amazing it is some what misleading as laws and sentencing varies from country to country. A better stat might be murder rate
USA 5.4/100,000
SK 2.18/100,000
The simple fact is it is easier to kill someone with a gun than it is with a knife, baseball bat or hands. It is quicker, less personal, less messy and simply easier.
Your claim that the majority of Koreans have guns. I'm sorry I just don't believe this. If you said most farmers have guns it might have a grain of truth. (However I still wouldn't believe it). Did you know it is a capital offense here? and while gun ownership is allowed, the gun must be kept at the police station.
How do you know that the gun has no bullets? Any way I for one love the fact that the police don't need guns here.
http://www.travelblog.org/Asia/South-Korea/Gyeonggi-do/Seongnam/Bundang/blog-125027.html While i don't agree with everything here and I don't think the relative safety here is solely caused by harsh gun laws, it is a nice read. |
When you make more laws that can be broken, and then actually enforce those extra laws, the rate will be higher.
I agree with you on the point about guns, which is why knives are a hell of a lot scarier. When I was in London, there were nightly stabbings on the tube to the point where it was an epidemic.
Which do you think would be scarier, a man in a crowded place with a loud gun people will run away from, or a man with a large knife stabbing at random and staying hidden in the crowd. You can defend against a gun on mere odds as it's really hard to kill with a gun unless it's to a vital spot, a knife on the other hand is considered a weapon you cannot defend against. One slash can cover sever cubic inches and multiple vital organs and will cause a slow and agonizing death.
A knife is ALWAYS superior up close. In face, even a trained specialist will tell you all you can do against a knife up close is run or pray, as even with the knowledge a successful defense of a knife only happens about 20% of the time.
I've actually seen a knife fatality happen up close. A guy pulled out a knife and was able to stab a man in the heard and cut him across his chest a half dozen times before he even felt the blade. You can't just defend with your arm either as a cut that that deep into your arm will cause you to go into immediate shock.
Guns are scary because they are loud, knives are scary because they cause a lot of damage before actually die and are a lot harder to defend against.
Here's some fun information on knife defense myths
http://ezinearticles.com/?Self-defense-Against-a-Knife:-Myths,-Fantasies-and-How-to-Stay-Alive,-Part-One&id=320215
People will always find weapons, why take them away from the ones that are very likely to use them offensively? |
If I had to choose between getting mugged from someone with a gun and getting mugged from someone with a knife (knowing that they would try to kill me). i would choose the knife because at least I would have a chance.
The simple fact is guns cause a lot of damage, knives in the right hands can cause a lot of damage. |
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nathanrutledge
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| Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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Alright, this is the last comment on this I'm going to make.
It's a capital offense? PROVE IT. So the farmers didn't steal the guns, big deal. If they stole the guns, then they would definitely be searched for, but just small personal effects, probably not.
I don't think you guys know the meaning of capital offense. You're saying they execute people for owning a gun. I know this to be false.
I have personally seen a real, powder and lead, 6 shot, 10 mm revolver. I own 8 guns back home, I know what a gun looks like. I can also read some Korean. I have seen a real gun, I have seen a real piece of paper with police logos and information about said gun. A coworker had it in her purse, she kept it at school.
Unless you have something to back up your bogus claims, you are wrong. As I said before, proving a negative is nigh impossible, so you prove a positive. Find a source proving it is a capital offense, otherwise pack it up and go home. |
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Italy37612
Joined: 25 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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I have seen a real piece of paper with police logos and information about said gun. A coworker had it in her purse, she kept it at school.
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She must be Korean Secret Police  |
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