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Is the Lonely Planet guide to SK a turkey?
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dodgybarnet



Joined: 10 Mar 2003
Location: Directly above the centre of the earth. On a kickboard.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 1:47 am    Post subject: Is the Lonely Planet guide to SK a turkey? Reply with quote

I'm off to Korea soon so am stocking up on reading material. I was going to get the LP korea guide, but several reviewers on Amazon say its cack with loads of errors.

Whatcha think?

I'm not looking for an discussion over whether LP guides are a good idea / spawn of the devil - I've had that argument many a time before - Just as to whether its true that it's a bad guide (generally their developing country guides are wildly inaccurate whilst 1st world country guides are pretty good - hence my surprise).

If it is rubbish what would you suggest instead? (Thier next edition comes out on april 1st).

Thanks. DB
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Zed



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Shakedown Street

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't find it very good but what other publication publishes a South Korea guide?
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wylde



Joined: 14 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.lifeinkorea.com/




it is not a book but a site as you can see.. it recommends over 30 books for sth korea

it does have about 500 times more info than the lonely planet site.

it has a chat, tour guide, thousands of photos, transport guide... and about 400 other pages...


do yourself a favor and check it out


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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LP is useful, and if you'll be in Seoul get the Seoul guide as well, but nothing beats being here on the ground and learning as you go.

This board is probably a more useful resource than any book out there, though, especially if you're going to be teaching English here.
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its close enough to accurate for my own tastes. I just like having a reference handy.. but if you are looking for a bible.. you'd never find an LP for any country to be rock-solid to perfection.

I just use it for general ideas and the maps.. get a sense for the price ranges of hostels.. where I might want to stay in that town based on the maps.. find a few bars, where they are, and what region of the town I might want to stay in, etc. So they've always satisfied that rather basic need for me.
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Zed



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Shakedown Street

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wylde wrote:
http://www.lifeinkorea.com/

try that.. it seems to be pretty full.. i didnt go into it much but it seems to have a bit of info.

even a discussion forum with a zillion topics
A zillion!?!?! Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Lonely Planet guide says very little about the second largest island in Korea known as "The Island of Fantasy" and considered by some foreigners as better than overhyped Jeju (I'll have to compare later this year).

What little the guide has on Geoje Island is confusing because it calls the largest community Gohyeon, and later Geoje (which does reflect a duality in common usage). But technically the whole island is a single municipality so it's best to call the largest community by the term that's used by locals to differentiate Gohyeon from other smaller port communities of Okpo and Jangsenpo.

One thing the guide has in it's favour, in my estimation, is its claim that: "Geoje may have the most scenic coastal road in all of Asia." Cool

Believe it. On a sunny day it's breathtaking on the main road, more so if you take some dirt back roads that the locals all know about.

There's too many absences concerning Geoje to list here right now. Anybody can PM me when they plan on coming here. The Internet I've found to be a better source regarding many of the local sights and activities.

I, like all the posters so far, think LP is helpful but don't rely on it alone. Consider it a starting place. Double check with locals and other expats as you go.

(I do like the Korean symbols though; you can just point and a taxi driver will know where you want to go.)

Good luck.
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tokki



Joined: 26 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
The Lonely Planet guide says very little about the second largest island in Korea known as "The Island of Fantasy" and considered by some foreigners as better than overhyped Jeju (I'll have to compare later this year).

What little the guide has on Geoje Island is confusing because it calls the largest community Gohyeon, and later Geoje (which does reflect a duality in common usage). But technically the whole island is a single municipality so it's best to call the largest community by the term that's used by locals to differentiate Gohyeon from other smaller port communities of Okpo and Jangsenpo.

One thing the guide has in it's favour, in my estimation, is its claim that: "Geoje may have the most scenic coastal road in all of Asia." Cool

Believe it. On a sunny day it's breathtaking on the main road, more so if you take some dirt back roads that the locals all know about.

There's too many absences concerning Geoje to list here right now. Anybody can PM me when they plan on coming here. The Internet I've found to be a better source regarding many of the local sights and activities.

I, like all the posters so far, think LP is helpful but don't rely on it alone. Consider it a starting place. Double check with locals and other expats as you go.

(I do like the Korean symbols though; you can just point and a taxi driver will know where you want to go.)

Good luck.


Ok, I GOTTA step in. You have been touting Koje, which is good, but Namhae is about 12 times better than Koje.
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batman



Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would skip on the Lonley Planet for Korea.
Although I keep a copy in my bathroom for toilet reading I find that it is pretty skimpy for detail.
When I first came to Korea I had a copy of Moon Handboook.
It was much better (albeit more expensive) than Lonley Planet.
It has kept me occupied for the last four years in Korea.
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dodgybarnet



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been to a lot of countries round the world and found LP usefull, but mainly because I've turned up not knowing much about a country and need basic info quickly (where hostels are and the basic geography of the country). Having a guide book sure is usefull for my style of travel, and LP is suited to my price range: cheap.

This time though I've done a tonne of research so I don't that I need its help. Thanks for the advice though!
DB
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JackSarang



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
The Lonely Planet guide says very little about the second largest island in Korea known as "The Island of Fantasy" and considered by some foreigners as better than overhyped Jeju (I'll have to compare later this year).


You're kidding right? I spent a weekend in Geoje, in Okpo. It was like a sunny hell. First of all, it put me off travelling anywhere else in Korea. I spend 9 hours travelling on a bus from Seoul with my soccer team going to this magical island.. to find... that its just a cheesy miniature version of Seoul. Same apartments, same bars, same bc bangs, same brothels. Only Okpo was more depressing. All those ex-pats working in the ship-yards who are so sick of each other's faces.. the wives of said ship-builders dragged to Korea who are having sex with the 3-4 young hogwon teachers who work in Okpo. The cute Korean girls who work at all the "foreigner-only" bars.. who speak remarkably good English and seemed so esctactic to see a bunch of new faces in town. Disgusting, trash-strewn beaches...

On a side note, the ex-pats who hosted our soccer team in Okpo also ran a pub-crawl/hash that weekend. They drew numbers in front of the different bars with flour. Of course, some Korean thought it was an Anthrax terrorist attack and a Korean Army HAZMAT team was choppered in from Pusan. The guy who drew the numbers with the flour was arrested and grilled about it, but later released without charges... only a severe scolding about "littering" and causing panic. It was pretty funny because it made the news back then and they had pictures of the guys in the HAZMAT suits examining the white powder next to a dead pigeon.
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tokki



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JackSarang wrote:
VanIslander wrote:
The Lonely Planet guide says very little about the second largest island in Korea known as "The Island of Fantasy" and considered by some foreigners as better than overhyped Jeju (I'll have to compare later this year).


You're kidding right? I spent a weekend in Geoje, in Okpo. It was like a sunny hell. First of all, it put me off travelling anywhere else in Korea. I spend 9 hours travelling on a bus from Seoul with my soccer team going to this magical island.. to find... that its just a cheesy miniature version of Seoul. Same apartments, same bars, same bc bangs, same brothels. Only Okpo was more depressing. All those ex-pats working in the ship-yards who are so sick of each other's faces.. the wives of said ship-builders dragged to Korea who are having sex with the 3-4 young hogwon teachers who work in Okpo. The cute Korean girls who work at all the "foreigner-only" bars.. who speak remarkably good English and seemed so esctactic to see a bunch of new faces in town. Disgusting, trash-strewn beaches...

On a side note, the ex-pats who hosted our soccer team in Okpo also ran a pub-crawl/hash that weekend. They drew numbers in front of the different bars with flour. Of course, some Korean thought it was an Anthrax terrorist attack and a Korean Army HAZMAT team was choppered in from Pusan. The guy who drew the numbers with the flour was arrested and grilled about it, but later released without charges... only a severe scolding about "littering" and causing panic. It was pretty funny because it made the news back then and they had pictures of the guys in the HAZMAT suits examining the white powder next to a dead pigeon.


The beaches on Koje aint that great. Visit Namhae, it has some awsome scenery, and better beaches than Koje.
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The Lemon



Joined: 11 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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All those ex-pats working in the ship-yards who are so sick of each other's faces.. the wives of said ship-builders dragged to Korea who are having sex with the 3-4 young hogwon teachers who work in Okpo.


Real Reality Yonhap News Flash:

Okpo Hogwons Suddenly Deluged with Thousands of Job Applications
Owners Baffled
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desultude



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would certainly wait and check out the April 1st new edition. South Korea changes quickly, and the old edition does feel dated and short on details.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guys, Okpo is a great little port community.

And it sounds like Tokki didn't see much else of the island on his trip here.

It's like judging Hawaii by a nightlife neighbourhood in Honolulu.

I agree Namhae is a wonderful island,and I've raved about it on this site. But it's more of a Norweigan type of beauty.

Did you know there's a waterfall nearly right into the ocean at a Geoje beach? (old spelling: Koje). You can actually stand under it on a hot summer's day for reprieve, then dive into the ocean and swirl around where fresh meets salt water. Wonderful.

Have you ever visited the Buddhist temple at the base of the tallest mountain and hiked alongside the creek to the top?

Have you ever visited the 750+ tree species on Waedo (Oedo) or ferried around the southern side?

If not, please don't talk like a know-it-all because you spent a weekend in a bar district of one small community, or even six months holed up in a town.

It's a big island, and while I've been here since 2002, it'll be until well into 2005 before I've seen all the wonders I hear about. And I haven't been disappointed yet.

Go with someone who knows.

Maybe I should offer guided tours.
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