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[Leon]

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[beck's]

One of the problems is that when we talk about 'moderate' Islam we aren't really sure what we are talking about.

Obviously people who advocate flying airplanes into tall buildings aren't moderate.

But what about those who want to see the spread of Sharia law in western countries through the use of democratic legislation? Are they moderate?

What about those who engage in what has been called lawfare? They use challenges to western charters of rights to push sharia agendas. Are they moderate?

What about the Muslim grievance mongers who constantly cry Islamophobia whenever an act, which is contrary to Sharia, is done in a western country (ie the Danish cartoons and the Koran burning)?

IMO Sharia law is diametrically opposed to western values and that any one advocating it is automatically not a moderate regardless of whether they hope to achieve it through violence or stealth.

The big problem is that the western elites, in the media and in the universities, who form public opinion are lukewarm in their support of western values. When they characterize westerners as imperialist warmongers living off the fruits stolen from the third world and when they show us as an energy rich materialistic greedy unsustainable society they make it very difficult for new immigrants to want to assimilate.

Why would a Pakistanti youth want to assimilate into a society whose elites devalue it? Is it so surprising then that he is so attracted to Jihadist websites and radical Imams who value Muslim cullture? Is it so surprising that some young westerners see the romance in reverting to Islam?

[guava]

[comm]

Guava: so you agree with the entirety of Beck's post and just wanted to correct his word usage?

Read the Koran, read the Bible, read the Torah. See which one scares you the most. For me personally, it's the Koran by a mile.

The Bible tends to say things along the lines of "God will kill you for being a sinner" and I'm not too worried about it. It might as well say "the giant rainbow unicorn will impale you in your sleep for being a heathen". I got no worries there and I don't hear even radical Christians saying agnostics/atheists/etc should die. The Koran tends to say things like "we will kill all of the unbelievers". I get a little nervous with the use of the word "we" in the Koran. They can threaten to send armies of rainbow unicorns at me all day long, but when a book glorifies the violent actions of the faithful I get nervous.

Combine that with the fact that apparently "moderate" Muslims will become violent if someone buys and burns the wrong paper and you have me a bit on edge.

[guava]

[beck's]

Guava, I used revert rather than convert because that is the term used in Islam.

[guava]

You are welcome to say whatever you wanna say however you wanna say it, after all the issue at hand is freedom of speech.

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[Leon]