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sojusucks
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 Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 5:41 am Post subject: The Waygooks are running away :) |
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http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/10/117_73796.html
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09-30-2010 19:03
More native English teachers quit
By Kang Shin-who
More native English teachers are breaching agreed working terms in contracts made with public schools and are leaving Korea.
According to the Ministry of Education, Science and Technology, the number of foreign teachers who failed to complete their working contracts last year rose to 425 from 283 a year ago. This year as well, 252 native English speakers have already left schools as of July, according to Rep. Kim Se-yeon of the governing Grand National Party (GNP) who asked the ministry to submit the statistics to the National Assembly.
Currently, education authorities recruit native English speakers overseas as assistant teachers on a one-year basis for English conversation classes.
The number of language assistant teachers at elementary and secondary schools increased to 8,473 this year from 7,631 in 2009 and 5,115 in 2008, meaning about 80 percent of schools nationwide have foreign teachers this year, a sharp surge compared with 48 percent in 2007.
Particularly, nearly 30 percent of the foreign teachers who ended their contract worked for less than six months. Some 22 percent of them quit to study or transferred to other jobs, while about 15 percent left without prior notice and others for various reasons including difficulties in adapting to their schools, illness, and being involved in crimes.
The dropout rate also varied according to regions Rep. Kim Sun-dong of the GNP said. Busan topped the list, followed by Incheon, Seoul and Jeju Island.
�Many Koreans have to get through very hard training if they want to be a teacher. It is a kind of privilege for native English speakers to be invited here as teachers. So I earnestly ask them to be more responsible in their jobs,� said Oh Seok-hwan, a director at the ministry.
�Also, we will strengthen the screening process in recruiting native English teachers,� he added.
Another problem raised by the lawmaker was that the majority of native English teachers lack teaching certificates. Less than 30 percent of them have teaching licenses from their home countries in some regions including Ulsan and North Gyeongsang Province.
The student-teacher ratio also saw wide gaps, ranging from 1,552 students per instructor in Daegu to 778 to 1 in Seoul.
�The government should map out recruitment plans on native English teachers more systematically in order to provide children with better English education environments,� said Rep. Kim said.
만기 못채우는 원어민 영어교사 점점 늘어
계약기간을 채우지 못하고 한국을 떠나고 원어민 영어교사 수가 계속 늘고 있어 일선 학교 회화 수업에 차질을 빚고 있는 것으로 드러났다.
29일 국회 교육과학기술위원회 소속 한나라당의 김세연의원이 분석한 자료에 따르면 지난해 계약기간(1년)을 채우지 못하고 떠난 원어민 영어교사 수는 425명으로 전년의 283명에 비해 크게 늘어났다. 금년도 7월 현재 252명이 기간을 채우지 못하고 학교를 떠난 것으로 나타났다.
초등학교와 중학교의 원어민 영어교사 수는 2008년 5,115명에서 2009년 7,631명 금년 8,473명으로 늘어나 전국의 80%가량의 학교가 원어민 영어교사가 있는 것으로 나타났다.
지난 3년간 그만 둔 원어민 영어교사 중 30%가량이 1년의 반도 못 채우고 그만뒀으며, 22%는 공부한다거나 다른 일거리를 잡기 위해 그만 두었으며 15%는 학교 적응 어려움, 질병, 범죄 등의 이유로 사전 통고 없이 그만둔 것으로 나타났다.
또 시도별로 원어민 영어교사의 중도 해직율이 큰 차이를 보이고, 원어민 교사 확보율과 자격증 보유율에서도 격차가 심해 지역 간 영어교육 수준의 양극화를 심화시킨다는 지적도 있다.
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Louis VI
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| ... the number of foreign teachers who failed to complete their working contracts last year rose to 425... The number of language assistant teachers at elementary and secondary schools increased to 8,473... |
425 of 8473... about 5%.... so 95% finished their year-long contracts?!!!! That's pretty good given how many chosen to be hired by the ministry through their recruiters are young, inexperienced and untrained and living overseas for the first time in their lives.
95%. Wow. |
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caniff
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| 95%. Wow. |
If 100% walked on water they would still complain. |
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Wishmaster
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Gaaa...good grief, Korea. And they think westerners are the ones that piss and moan. Koreans should be happy that anyone comes here considering how foreigners have zero rights here and schools continue to shank teachers with impunity.
Morons.
And then they complain about qualifications. Let's get this straight...they want qualified teachers to come here, work for crap wages and be an "assistant" to a vasty inferior Korean teacher. Yeah, they'll be lining up for that one. Forget it, Korea. Real teachers won't come here. You don't pay enough or offer enough benefits. Yes, real teachers will come here an be an "assistant" to a drone who can't even form a complete sentece.
I also love the "it's kind of a privilege to work as a teacher in Korea." Yeah, some "privilege." You get to be treated like a monkey being insulted by 40 little entitled shits in a class with a useless co-teacher. Oh, and you get to live in a closet and get screwed on taxes, pension, etc. This little country really believes they are big time, don't they? Sheesh...Koreans are one delusional bunch. |
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El Exigente
Joined: 10 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:08 am Post subject: Re: The Waygooks are running away :) |
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Does this make sense? The number of teachers who have dropped out has increased since they last "strengthened" the screening process. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 10:02 am Post subject: Re: The Waygooks are running away :) |
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| Does this make sense? |
If you're looking for sense you're looking in the wrong place. |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 10:12 am Post subject: |
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Gaaa...good grief, Korea. And they think westerners are the ones that piss and moan. Koreans should be happy that anyone comes here considering how foreigners have zero rights here and schools continue to shank teachers with impunity.
Morons.
And then they complain about qualifications. Let's get this straight...they want qualified teachers to come here, work for crap wages and be an "assistant" to a vasty inferior Korean teacher. Yeah, they'll be lining up for that one. Forget it, Korea. Real teachers won't come here. You don't pay enough or offer enough benefits. Yes, real teachers will come here an be an "assistant" to a drone who can't even form a complete sentece.
I also love the "it's kind of a privilege to work as a teacher in Korea." Yeah, some "privilege." You get to be treated like a monkey being insulted by 40 little entitled shits in a class with a useless co-teacher. Oh, and you get to live in a closet and get screwed on taxes, pension, etc. This little country really believes they are big time, don't they? Sheesh...Koreans are one delusional bunch. |
You're still there. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| ... the number of foreign teachers who failed to complete their working contracts last year rose to 425... The number of language assistant teachers at elementary and secondary schools increased to 8,473... |
425 of 8473... about 5%.... so 95% finished their year-long contracts?!!!! That's pretty good given how many chosen to be hired by the ministry through their recruiters are young, inexperienced and untrained and living overseas for the first time in their lives.
95%. Wow. |
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the number of foreign teachers who failed to complete their working contracts last year rose to 425 |
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| The number of language assistant teachers ... 7,631 in 2009 |
So, actually 425/7631 according to their numbers. Still under 6% so 94% finished. |
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Hotwire
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Korea!
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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So in 2009, 425 out of 7631 teachers left early (about 5.5%).
In 2008, 283 out of 5115 teachers left early (about 5.5%).
What's the problem here? It seems like the number leaving early is just scaling with the number of teachers total. The article's headline should actually be "Tiny Percentage of Foreign Teachers Leaving Early Seemingly Steady."
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| �The government should map out recruitment plans on native English teachers more systematically in order to provide children with better English education environments,� said Rep. Kim said. |
This is definitely true, though. Their current system is ridiculous. My first year here I was at my school teaching maybe 10 hours a week, with another foreign teacher doing the same, while right next door there was a lone woman assigned to a school 5 or 6 times bigger than ours working over-time and still not teaching everyone, and a school downtown over 10 times bigger than like us had just two foreign teachers. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
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So in 2009, 425 out of 7631 teachers left early (about 5.5%).
In 2008, 283 out of 5115 teachers left early (about 5.5%).
What's the problem here? It seems like the number leaving early is just scaling with the number of teachers total. The article's headline should actually be "Tiny Percentage of Foreign Teachers Leaving Early Seemingly Steady."
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| �The government should map out recruitment plans on native English teachers more systematically in order to provide children with better English education environments,� said Rep. Kim said. |
This is definitely true, though. Their current system is ridiculous. My first year here I was at my school teaching maybe 10 hours a week, with another foreign teacher doing the same, while right next door there was a lone woman assigned to a school 5 or 6 times bigger than ours working over-time and still not teaching everyone, and a school downtown over 10 times bigger than like us had just two foreign teachers. |
...the problem is the author of the article...enough said. |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Let's send Oh Seok-hwan to an English speaking country to teach Korean.
Let's give him a co-teacher who interrupts the lesson and prattles to the students in the students' own first language any time he wants to.
Let's give him a co-teacher who walks out of the classroom and lets him face a roomful of rowdy delinquents for forty minutes.
Let's give him a co-teacher who intrudes into his personal business whenever there is a chance.
Let's give him an administrator from the central office, an administrator of the school, and a co-teacher in the classroom who are all united against him from the very beginning.
I'm sure that Oh Seok-hwan would regard that as a privilege. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: The Waygooks are running away :) |
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http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/10/117_73796.html
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09-30-2010 19:03
More native English teachers quit
By Kang Shin-who
More native English teachers are breaching agreed working terms in contracts made with public schools and are leaving Korea.
According to the Ministry of Education, Science and Technology, the number of foreign teachers who failed to complete their working contracts last year rose to 425 from 283 a year ago. This year as well, 252 native English speakers have already left schools as of July, according to Rep. Kim Se-yeon of the governing Grand National Party (GNP) who asked the ministry to submit the statistics to the National Assembly.
Currently, education authorities recruit native English speakers overseas as assistant teachers on a one-year basis for English conversation classes.
The number of language assistant teachers at elementary and secondary schools increased to 8,473 this year from 7,631 in 2009 and 5,115 in 2008, meaning about 80 percent of schools nationwide have foreign teachers this year, a sharp surge compared with 48 percent in 2007.
Particularly, nearly 30 percent of the foreign teachers who ended their contract worked for less than six months. Some 22 percent of them quit to study or transferred to other jobs, while about 15 percent left without prior notice and others for various reasons including difficulties in adapting to their schools, illness, and being involved in crimes.
The dropout rate also varied according to regions Rep. Kim Sun-dong of the GNP said. Busan topped the list, followed by Incheon, Seoul and Jeju Island.
�Many Koreans have to get through very hard training if they want to be a teacher. It is a kind of privilege for native English speakers to be invited here as teachers. So I earnestly ask them to be more responsible in their jobs,� said Oh Seok-hwan, a director at the ministry.
�Also, we will strengthen the screening process in recruiting native English teachers,� he added.
Another problem raised by the lawmaker was that the majority of native English teachers lack teaching certificates. Less than 30 percent of them have teaching licenses from their home countries in some regions including Ulsan and North Gyeongsang Province.
The student-teacher ratio also saw wide gaps, ranging from 1,552 students per instructor in Daegu to 778 to 1 in Seoul.
�The government should map out recruitment plans on native English teachers more systematically in order to provide children with better English education environments,� said Rep. Kim said.
만기 못채우는 원어민 영어교사 점점 늘어
계약기간을 채우지 못하고 한국을 떠나고 원어민 영어교사 수가 계속 늘고 있어 일선 학교 회화 수업에 차질을 빚고 있는 것으로 드러났다.
29일 국회 교육과학기술위원회 소속 한나라당의 김세연의원이 분석한 자료에 따르면 지난해 계약기간(1년)을 채우지 못하고 떠난 원어민 영어교사 수는 425명으로 전년의 283명에 비해 크게 늘어났다. 금년도 7월 현재 252명이 기간을 채우지 못하고 학교를 떠난 것으로 나타났다.
초등학교와 중학교의 원어민 영어교사 수는 2008년 5,115명에서 2009년 7,631명 금년 8,473명으로 늘어나 전국의 80%가량의 학교가 원어민 영어교사가 있는 것으로 나타났다.
지난 3년간 그만 둔 원어민 영어교사 중 30%가량이 1년의 반도 못 채우고 그만뒀으며, 22%는 공부한다거나 다른 일거리를 잡기 위해 그만 두었으며 15%는 학교 적응 어려움, 질병, 범죄 등의 이유로 사전 통고 없이 그만둔 것으로 나타났다.
또 시도별로 원어민 영어교사의 중도 해직율이 큰 차이를 보이고, 원어민 교사 확보율과 자격증 보유율에서도 격차가 심해 지역 간 영어교육 수준의 양극화를 심화시킨다는 지적도 있다.
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That's better than the average of some public school districts in the US where they might lose roughly 10% of their teachers this year. In this case, they are losing half that percentage wise. The solution is not people being certified. I am certified, but it doesn't mean I am just going to accept whatever work situation is out there. Some public schools mistreat their teachers, and if that happens to a person, the person will leave whether the school is in America or Korea, and they are less likely to stick around if
Koreans are shafting them than if Americans or Canadians are doing that to them. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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Gaaa...good grief, Korea. And they think westerners are the ones that piss and moan. Koreans should be happy that anyone comes here considering how foreigners have zero rights here and schools continue to shank teachers with impunity.
Morons.
And then they complain about qualifications. Let's get this straight...they want qualified teachers to come here, work for crap wages and be an "assistant" to a vasty inferior Korean teacher. Yeah, they'll be lining up for that one. Forget it, Korea. Real teachers won't come here. You don't pay enough or offer enough benefits. Yes, real teachers will come here an be an "assistant" to a drone who can't even form a complete sentece.
I also love the "it's kind of a privilege to work as a teacher in Korea." Yeah, some "privilege." You get to be treated like a monkey being insulted by 40 little entitled shits in a class with a useless co-teacher. Oh, and you get to live in a closet and get screwed on taxes, pension, etc. This little country really believes they are big time, don't they? Sheesh...Koreans are one delusional bunch. |
Good grief what got into your Cheerios?
I think your attitude may be contributing to the problem.
Viewing your students as 40 little modedits can't be a good attitude for an educator. Maybe they are treating you poorly due to your own ineffective discipline and the way you carry yourself causes them not to respect you. Besides, rambunctious describes all children everywhere.
I'm not sure they mean fully certified teachers, I think, based on the numbers, that they are including TESOL certificates in the mix.
I don't see the wages as crap. Considering wages, taxes, rent, and national health care, the wages seem pretty mid-range for someone with a 4 year degree.
You pay like 5% in taxes and get back your pension money. How is this getting worked over?
As for my coteacher her English isn't perfect, but she is perfectly fine. Considering my own lack of skill at a second language, and the fact that I am in her country, I am not going to judge her too harshly.
She is wonderful at preparing materials and activities for our class as well as requisitioning the necessary materials and funds to have a solid English program. In addition she brings a perfectionist attitude and a good work ethic that, while overbearing at times, does motivate me to do everything to the best of my ability and the results of our students bear it out.
Maybe your school is a disaster, but from the experiences of NETs in my area most have had a great experience. The one guy who hasn't, lo and behold, complains about everything under the sun, hates Korea, and believes himself immune from ever making mistakes and that his knowledge exceeds the combined intelligence of all of Korea.
Again, maybe its attitude that has a lot to do with everything.
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425 of 8473... about 5%.... so 95% finished their year-long contracts?!!!! That's pretty good given how many chosen to be hired by the ministry through their recruiters are young, inexperienced and untrained and living overseas for the first time in their lives.
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I believe it. Most public school NETs I encounter are satisfied with their jobs and feel that they like it enough to 'stick'.
I never really believed that 50% of NETs leave within six months.
5% is an amazing rate and I have no clue where the writer of the article or the official get off on saying that this is some sort of problem.
But then I checked who published the article and lo and behold it was the Korea Times and that answers everything I need to know.
I don't feel that it some sort of privilege to work here. It's just another job.
Now if they showed Hagwon stats...
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| This is definitely true, though. Their current system is ridiculous. My first year here I was at my school teaching maybe 10 hours a week, with another foreign teacher doing the same, while right next door there was a lone woman assigned to a school 5 or 6 times bigger than ours working over-time and still not teaching everyone, and a school downtown over 10 times bigger than like us had just two foreign teachers. |
GAHH!! Don't do that. Then I might have to commute for an hour on some squid-smelling bus packed with elderly at 6:45 in the morning to go to some rural school.
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I really wish both sides would make up their minds on this 'qualified' business. It seems that both sides want to throw around qualified and unqualified whenever it suits their needs.
I for one believe that we are qualified. As such we should be held to that standard which means NO WHINING ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO CONTROL A CLASSROOM. NO WHINING ABOUT HAVING TO TEACH SOLO FOR 40 MINUTES. NO WHINING ABOUT HAVING TO PREPARE LESSONS.
If you feel you are not able to handle those things, then well, you aren't qualified and therefore if the school holds you in disdain I really can't blame them.
Likewise the Korean government should really stop throwing around this unqualified label. It diminishes the level of respect that the parents and our fellow colleagues hold to us. Assert that yes, we are qualified, and hold us to that standard. Give us some more solo time in the classroom. Let the Korean teacher teach 1st and 2nd grade solo while we teach 5th and 6th grade solo.
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| Some 22 percent of them quit to study or transferred to other jobs, while about 15 percent left without prior notice and others for various reasons including difficulties in adapting to their schools, illness, and being involved in crimes. |
What happened to the other 63%? Drafted into the military? Disappeared without a trace? Hibernating? Joined the Moonies?
Seriously, I think the KT is staffed by high school journalism students.
P.S. Anyone notice that sojusucks has become the bacasper of Korean news? |
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mc_jc
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My question is then; why won't Korea require new teachers to have TESL/TEFL/TESOL certificates before they teach?
I think the quals should;
1. Degree
2. CBC
3. TESL/TEFL/TESOL Cert.
makes sense...
But then again, it's Corea |
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