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lush72
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: I am Penalty Kick!
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 Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: What do you think you are worth? |
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| Homer wrote: |
| Lets see what some of us consider a fair offer here in Korea. |
Homer- please clarify this question. What exactly do you mean? A fair offer to do what? Teach? Act? Model? Host at a host bar? 
Too many variables here man- narrow it down a little will ya? |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| I think he is referring to the majority of posters here who are teachers. |
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Mankind
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. Pink wrote: |
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Anything under $50 an hour is usually not worth it (unless it helps you make new contacts). For those that don't believe that, you're suckers.
Korean private English teachers make 40 G's an hour and up. For all you people who are happy making 30-35 an hour the guy who 'introduced' you to the job is making the same as you.
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Teaching isn't always about the money. |
I think I was clear about that. Sometimes its about contacts. But why would you do a job for 50-60% of what you could be paid? Thats just stupid. People act likely teaching is some holy work that needs no pay. Bullshit! You need money to live in this world and you might as well make as much as you can while you're doing your work. Because I promise you if you're dumb enough not to take all you can get, nobody will give it to you out of kindness. Looking out for your bank account doen't make you a bad teacher, it makes you a smart one.
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Toby
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Wedded Bliss
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| Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
Toby wrote,
Relevance to OP? Can't quite see the connection to the question,"What do you think you are worth?"
What is the value of your health? Are you compensated for working in an area that is bad for your health? Are you compensated for working in an area that is "unappealing"? |
But every city in which you may work has a high chance of contracting anything.
So. It still doesn't really answer what the OP asked.
I think I could be worth millions to the right employer, regarding where I am or what my health is. That doesn't just apply to Seoul. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Mankind wrote: |
| Mr. Pink wrote: |
| Mankind wrote: |
Anything under $50 an hour is usually not worth it (unless it helps you make new contacts). For those that don't believe that, you're suckers.
Korean private English teachers make 40 G's an hour and up. For all you people who are happy making 30-35 an hour the guy who 'introduced' you to the job is making the same as you.
HAND |
Teaching isn't always about the money. |
I think I was clear about that. Sometimes its about contacts. But why would you do a job for 50-60% of what you could be paid? Thats just stupid. People act likely teaching is some holy work that needs no pay. *beep*! You need money to live in this world and you might as well make as much as you can while you're doing your work. Because I promise you if you're dumb enough not to take all you can get, nobody will give it to you out of kindness. Looking out for your bank account doen't make you a bad teacher, it makes you a smart one.
HAND |
Well here is how I see that. If I don't know someone I will charge them premium rates. However if I do know someone, I can't in good conscience charge them that much. Example: A teacher at your school asks you to help teach his wife a bit. He has done tons of favors for you, what do you do? Me, I'd want to say no if asked, but the guy wants you to do it as a favor...well would you charge him full price? I'd do it for free depending on how often it was.
I think teaching is a noble enterprise. I know what you are saying, we aren't in it for charity and that is true. But sometimes it isn't always about the money - sometimes it is about helping friends out, or doing favors. If that is what you meant by contacts, well guess we just have different ways of expressing it. |
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dutchman
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: My backyard
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 12:31 am Post subject: |
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| Mr. Pink wrote: |
| Mankind wrote: |
| Mr. Pink wrote: |
| Mankind wrote: |
Anything under $50 an hour is usually not worth it (unless it helps you make new contacts). For those that don't believe that, you're suckers.
Korean private English teachers make 40 G's an hour and up. For all you people who are happy making 30-35 an hour the guy who 'introduced' you to the job is making the same as you.
HAND |
Teaching isn't always about the money. |
I think I was clear about that. Sometimes its about contacts. But why would you do a job for 50-60% of what you could be paid? Thats just stupid. People act likely teaching is some holy work that needs no pay. *beep*! You need money to live in this world and you might as well make as much as you can while you're doing your work. Because I promise you if you're dumb enough not to take all you can get, nobody will give it to you out of kindness. Looking out for your bank account doen't make you a bad teacher, it makes you a smart one.
HAND |
Well here is how I see that. If I don't know someone I will charge them premium rates. However if I do know someone, I can't in good conscience charge them that much. Example: A teacher at your school asks you to help teach his wife a bit. He has done tons of favors for you, what do you do? Me, I'd want to say no if asked, but the guy wants you to do it as a favor...well would you charge him full price? I'd do it for free depending on how often it was.
I think teaching is a noble enterprise. I know what you are saying, we aren't in it for charity and that is true. But sometimes it isn't always about the money - sometimes it is about helping friends out, or doing favors. If that is what you meant by contacts, well guess we just have different ways of expressing it. |
If you had an accountant friend, would you ask him to do your taxes for free? I'm willing to do lots of favors for people - help them move, help them paint their apartment, pick them up from the airport. Teaching is not a favor it's my job. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 2:06 am Post subject: |
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A fair offer to teach of course...I should have been more specific.
Good responses so far.
Quite interesting. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 2:06 am Post subject: |
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| Mr. Pink wrote: |
| Mankind wrote: |
| Mr. Pink wrote: |
| Mankind wrote: |
Anything under $50 an hour is usually not worth it (unless it helps you make new contacts). For those that don't believe that, you're suckers.
Korean private English teachers make 40 G's an hour and up. For all you people who are happy making 30-35 an hour the guy who 'introduced' you to the job is making the same as you.
HAND |
Teaching isn't always about the money. |
I think I was clear about that. Sometimes its about contacts. But why would you do a job for 50-60% of what you could be paid? Thats just stupid. People act likely teaching is some holy work that needs no pay. *beep*! You need money to live in this world and you might as well make as much as you can while you're doing your work. Because I promise you if you're dumb enough not to take all you can get, nobody will give it to you out of kindness. Looking out for your bank account doen't make you a bad teacher, it makes you a smart one.
HAND |
Well here is how I see that. If I don't know someone I will charge them premium rates. However if I do know someone, I can't in good conscience charge them that much. Example: A teacher at your school asks you to help teach his wife a bit. He has done tons of favors for you, what do you do? Me, I'd want to say no if asked, but the guy wants you to do it as a favor...well would you charge him full price? I'd do it for free depending on how often it was.
I think teaching is a noble enterprise. I know what you are saying, we aren't in it for charity and that is true. But sometimes it isn't always about the money - sometimes it is about helping friends out, or doing favors. If that is what you meant by contacts, well guess we just have different ways of expressing it. |
If you had an accountant friend, would you ask him to do your taxes for free? I'm willing to do lots of favors for people - help them move, help them paint their apartment, pick them up from the airport. Teaching is not a favor it's my job. |
Yeah I would ask him to do it for free.
My mom's best friend is a lawyer, she did some legal documents for me, FOR FREE.
It's called doing favors. I am sure if I needed the lawyer to represent me on a longass case, she would charge. Same if a friend needs me to use up a ton of my time. 1 hr a week for a friend, isn't much time IMO. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 2:08 am Post subject: |
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re: revelance to OP exhange:
I gotta say: Look at the reputation SK has among ESL teachers. I'll save you the research: piss poor. Instead, a lot of these teacher take jobs where they make MUCH less money in a system that more appealing.
When you consider HOW MUCH you're worth, you should consider the fact that the market/market conditions/suppy will SEVERELY effect the pay. I'm sure you know it so i won't dwell on it but, if the Korean hagwon system (and for SOME people, korean culture) were to improve their attitude towards ESL and to foreign presence in general, you couldn't get HALF of what you get now... |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 2:34 am Post subject: |
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Duty in South Korea is classified as Hardship Duty. Most time we can't even tell the difference between the north and the south, the way the people treat us. Bring the troops home and let the Koreans deal with each other.
Stuart, New York, USA
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/3083865.stm
Hardship Duty Pay
The extra pay "will provide meaningful financial recognition" to troops assigned in areas "where living conditions are substantially below" U.S. standards, the Pentagon said. The Pentagon said several factors are considered in determining whether a location qualified for the pay: climate, physical and social isolation, sanitation, disease, medical facilities, housing, food, recreational and community facilities, political violence, harassment and crime.
http://www.pstripes.com/jan01/ed010701b.html |
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dutchman
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: My backyard
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:00 am Post subject: |
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| Mr. Pink wrote: |
My mom's best friend is a lawyer, she did some legal documents for me, FOR FREE.
It's called doing favors. I am sure if I needed the lawyer to represent me on a longass case, she would charge. Same if a friend needs me to use up a ton of my time. 1 hr a week for a friend, isn't much time IMO. |
Interesting. I would never ask my accountant friend (or lawyer)to do work for free. My sister-in-law is a doctor. She constantly gets asked for free "favors". If she acted on all the request it would be a part-time job for her.
I'm all for doing favors but unless the friend has severe financial problems...not free work. Family of course is a different story. |
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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:22 am Post subject: |
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| Well according to my pay stub, this month I am worth 3.36 mil for 20 hours before taxes. |
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crazylemongirl
Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| Apparently I am worth 1 million won for a one night stand. |
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Neil
Joined: 02 Jan 2004
Location: Tokyo
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 11:54 am Post subject: |
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Real Reality, no offence but why don't you ever post your own opinions, rather than the opinions of other folks whose websites you've come across.
Just a thought. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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| crazylemongirl wrote: |
| Apparently I am worth 1 million won for a one night stand. |
Well that's pretty good for a one night stand  |
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