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ThingsComeAround
Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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The scum that posted that comment on the Tampa Bay paper must have a sad, dark, ugly soul. |
The term coward is more appropriate. I'd apply the same name to the hit-and-run driver.
I've been in a hit-and-run. My friend was driving. That was the scariest experience in my life, my friend spent 2 nights in jail for his poor reaction. But leaving would have made things worse (for both of us) |
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DaeguKid
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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DaeguKid - I highly doubt that poor people in India who have no money to eat wouldn't be happier with some money in their pocket and some food in their stomachs. They want a house, food, all the same things we all want. Not a single one of them wouldn't trade positions with you given the chance. It's not that they've given up on trying to achieve monetary means and they're perfectly content, it's just they know they're being photographed or filmed, have no other opportunities, and know that a smile is one of the few assets they DO have.
And I also bet you that anyone that has a million dollars is happy as hell and appreciates it like hell, considering the work it takes to make a million dollars. Lottery winners are the exception that proves the rule. I mean, really, do you see more unhappy people with no money, or unhappy people with millions? If you think that people with no money are happier than people who do have money, then you're crazy, delusional, an idiot, or a combination of two or more.
If you think that the enlightened life of giving up all material wants is so great, why don't you do it? You say you believe that when you let go of possession that you can find true happiness, but you're using a computer, presumably working a job in Korea so you can afford to eat, buy internet access, watch a movie and drink soju on weekends, all that stuff. Kind of hypocritical, isn't it? |
First off, i would like to see you call me an idiot to my face. And by no means is this a threat. I just assume that you are one of the gutless people who hide behind their computer. Maybe saying it to one's face may grow you a set.
It is plain obvious you just dont get it. At all. The statement alone that all millionaires are happy and so appreciative just shows how wrong and foolish you are. Oh yes, every millionaire is appreciative. You are so right! Paris Hilton is a fantastic example of someone who counts her blessings everyday! 
Finally, what I am about to tell you may seem foriegn to you, but pay close attention and you may understand some of it. In the first world that we live in, there are things we need to get by-a home, food, some form of transportation, the internet, soju (in your case it seems, which actually says alot about you). But by making ones life simpler and dividing what one needs and what one wants can help create a healthier and happier state of mind. I can recite many examples to you, at both ends of the spectrum, but something tells me you still would not get it. |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not the type of person who would put down this guy, (especially now that he's dead!), but I do not admire his lack of ambition. Society needs people like him, and we can be thankful for his contribution, but that shouldn't lead to us necessarily admiring him.
That being said, the guy had a job. He showed up to work on time. And he lived a life. There are many people who can't even do that much.
Lastly, judging people like this is obviously inappropriate. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Was the guy whop dressed in orange and played the piccolo a hare Krishna ? |
Sorry, I didn't realize this was directed at me until you editted it. As far as I'm aware he wasn't, but that doesn't mean he wasn't.
I did a quick web search and found this, which talks about him. From what I can tell, he's just a well educated man that decided the rush for material wealth was not for him. |
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DaeguKid
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 1:30 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| D.D. wrote: |
| Was the guy whop dressed in orange and played the piccolo a hare Krishna ? |
Sorry, I didn't realize this was directed at me until you editted it. As far as I'm aware he wasn't, but that doesn't mean he wasn't.
I did a quick web search and found this, which talks about him. From what I can tell, he's just a well educated man that decided the rush for material wealth was not for him. |
I would put a "million" dollars on it that he is much happier than the fella chasing the almighty dollar! |
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RMNC
Joined: 21 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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Nice job trying to turn this into a personal attack on my character, DaeguKid. That soju comment was cute. Paris Hilton is a great example, just about every millionaire is like a carbon copy Paris Hilton, right? To counter your statement I offer Bill Gates. Doesn't he just seem so unhappy and spoiled?!?
Simply put, having money offers you unlimited choice. You could still act like an ambition-less loser hermit that drinks beers and watches TV every night, despite having millions and the bank, or you could buy $100 bottles of wine every night. It's choice. If this guy had not died, but instead racked up a huge medical bill, I bet you he'd wished that he'd been attending night school to become a salesman or something, or saved his money and instead of buying beers bought mutual funds. Even admiring someone for showing up on time and having a job is stupid. Those are things you need and are supposed to do. It's like giving someone credit for never having been to jail or going to school.
People can continue living in a state of mind where they think that money means unhappiness, but money means choice. That's all there is to it. Guys like this are far too numerous in America, one of the reasons the culture and economy are stagnant and adrift, as well as one of the reasons I am glad to leave it all behind. Men like this shouldn't be admired. We as a society DO need people to wash our dishes and mow our lawns, but we offer the easy opportunity to move past those kinds of jobs. That's what makes 1st world countries so amazing, opportunity.
And as to your question, yes, I would call you an idiot to your face, as I have called out many people on their inane ramblings, lack of discipline and general wet rag-ness many, many times.
That's all I'm going to say on this, I'm not going to try and argue this anymore. Good luck and good debate. |
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murmanjake
Joined: 21 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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Nice job trying to turn this into a personal attack on my character, DaeguKid. That soju comment was cute. Paris Hilton is a great example, just about every millionaire is like a carbon copy Paris Hilton, right? To counter your statement I offer Bill Gates. Doesn't he just seem so unhappy and spoiled?!?
Simply put, having money offers you unlimited choice. You could still act like an ambition-less loser hermit that drinks beers and watches TV every night, despite having millions and the bank, or you could buy $100 bottles of wine every night. It's choice. If this guy had not died, but instead racked up a huge medical bill, I bet you he'd wished that he'd been attending night school to become a salesman or something, or saved his money and instead of buying beers bought mutual funds. Even admiring someone for showing up on time and having a job is stupid. Those are things you need and are supposed to do. It's like giving someone credit for never having been to jail or going to school.
People can continue living in a state of mind where they think that money means unhappiness, but money means choice. That's all there is to it. Guys like this are far too numerous in America, one of the reasons the culture and economy are stagnant and adrift, as well as one of the reasons I am glad to leave it all behind. Men like this shouldn't be admired. We as a society DO need people to wash our dishes and mow our lawns, but we offer the easy opportunity to move past those kinds of jobs. That's what makes 1st world countries so amazing, opportunity.
And as to your question, yes, I would call you an idiot to your face, as I have called out many people on their inane ramblings, lack of discipline and general wet rag-ness many, many times.
That's all I'm going to say on this, I'm not going to try and argue this anymore. Good luck and good debate. |
Ambition can take you in many directions, and the drive for wealth is just one of them. Sometimes the drive for wealth matches up with another, more individual ambition, and great, you got a well-paying job that you love.
Money does not supersede every other drive however. So you'll work 70 hours a week if it meant you'd make 10k a month? Sure some might, some wouldn't. But that's the point. There is a give and take between desires that require money to be fulfilled, and the effort that goes into making that money. At some point you might say "fvck it, I'm wasting my time not actually doing any of these things that I hoped money would help me do."
You call people that do not chase money as ambitionless loser-hermits, but your judgment is irrelevant. It's all about how they feel. Maybe their primitive tastebuds just can't tell the difference between and $100 dollar bottle of wine and carlo rossi.
Here's an article about your quoted beacon of happiness, Bill Gates.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/markets/united_states/article713434.ece
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The Microsoft chairman and co-founder, said to be worth $50 billion (�27 billion), has revealed that he wants to drop the title. �I wish I wasn�t [the world�s richest man]�, he told an audience in Seattle.
�There is nothing good that comes out of that.� |
So yes, having the biggest chunk of meat may not be all it is cracked up to be. But having just enough is pretty damn sweet. |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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machoman
Joined: 11 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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i don't think having money makes you any more "happier" but i think it does make you less miserable.
like, you could be depressed, but you're depressed in first class sipping on a top shelf gin and tonic as opposed to sitting in a humid trailer being bit by mosquitoes. everything is relative. |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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Money in and of itself doesn't give you happiness, but it certainly makes it easier to find.  |
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chellovek
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:20 am Post subject: |
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| They've done studies about this money and happiness thing. Having more money does make you happier up to a certain income threshold after which the happiness effect trails off. It also has to do with relative wealth as well, etc. |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha
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| Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 2:20 am Post subject: |
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| Shortly after the St. Petersburg Times announced Mr. Smith's death on its website, a reader posted a comment stating the following: A man who is working as a dishwasher at the Crab Shack at the age of 48 is surely better off dead. |
I don't like this attitude much. I think there's plenty of room in this world for people who are content living a simple life with no particular work-related ambitions.
When I was in college, there was a man who lived near campus. Every day he would dress up in orange clothing and come to the square outside the campus book shop and play his piccolo. He lived simply off of the proceeds and enjoyed his life. Certainly he didn't earn much, but he had enough to get what he needed and wanted, and I saw a certain appeal in his lifestyle. |
tell me, what do your parents think about this? I mean the whole 48 year old guy that's been dish washing for min.wage for 10 yrs and gets run over. Oh and the fact that you found the life style of a bum appealing? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 2:44 am Post subject: |
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| Shortly after the St. Petersburg Times announced Mr. Smith's death on its website, a reader posted a comment stating the following: A man who is working as a dishwasher at the Crab Shack at the age of 48 is surely better off dead. |
I don't like this attitude much. I think there's plenty of room in this world for people who are content living a simple life with no particular work-related ambitions.
When I was in college, there was a man who lived near campus. Every day he would dress up in orange clothing and come to the square outside the campus book shop and play his piccolo. He lived simply off of the proceeds and enjoyed his life. Certainly he didn't earn much, but he had enough to get what he needed and wanted, and I saw a certain appeal in his lifestyle. |
tell me, what do your parents think about this? I mean the whole 48 year old guy that's been dish washing for min.wage for 10 yrs and gets run over. Oh and the fact that you found the life style of a bum appealing? |
My father would look down on that man, my mother would reserve judgment about him until she knew more about his life. Both of them are aware of my fondness for simple living, and both of them would be supportive if I chose to live that way (though I think they're relieved that I temper my leanings in that direction with pragmatism instead of giving in to it entirely).
It's sweet that you're worried about my parents' feelings, but is there any particular reason for it? |
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nero
Joined: 11 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:15 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
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| Shortly after the St. Petersburg Times announced Mr. Smith's death on its website, a reader posted a comment stating the following: A man who is working as a dishwasher at the Crab Shack at the age of 48 is surely better off dead. |
I don't like this attitude much. I think there's plenty of room in this world for people who are content living a simple life with no particular work-related ambitions.
When I was in college, there was a man who lived near campus. Every day he would dress up in orange clothing and come to the square outside the campus book shop and play his piccolo. He lived simply off of the proceeds and enjoyed his life. Certainly he didn't earn much, but he had enough to get what he needed and wanted, and I saw a certain appeal in his lifestyle. |
tell me, what do your parents think about this? I mean the whole 48 year old guy that's been dish washing for min.wage for 10 yrs and gets run over. Oh and the fact that you found the life style of a bum appealing? |
My father would look down on that man, my mother would reserve judgment about him until she knew more about his life. Both of them are aware of my fondness for simple living, and both of them would be supportive if I chose to live that way (though I think they're relieved that I temper my leanings in that direction with pragmatism instead of giving in to it entirely).
It's sweet that you're worried about my parents' feelings, but is there any particular reason for it? |
Exactly. Why the hell do you care about what people's parents think? What, are you 15 years old? |
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southernman
Joined: 15 Jan 2010
Location: On the mainland again
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| Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:22 am Post subject: |
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When I left home, I had a few going away parties.
At the one for my oldest friends from school. Four of my oldest friends came up to me individually and said almost the same thing. I know you're not coming back and don't... You know you're travelling for me as well, don't you..
Each of them is rich, either owns or manages businesses. Probably 3 of them are Millionaires.
3 of them look ten years older than me
3 of them are well overweight
3 of them rarely see their wives or children
Only one of them regularily socialises
Only one of them regularily has holidays
Sure moneys good, but you've got to be relaxed enough to enjoy spending it
Some of the happiest people I've ever met haven't been wealthy and some of the most miserable were born Millionaires.
Then again I'm old so what would I know,
And hats off to that guy who lived the life he wanted to.
It's actually not that hard to get a Million if you don't care what you do or how you do it. It's hardly a mystery. |
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