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Murph
Joined: 31 Dec 2006
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:21 pm Post subject: This is All Kinds of Crazy (Update) |
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I will provide a brief background for those who have not had a chance to read my first post. I wanted to provide a link, but was unable to find the post. I apologize in advance for all of the lettered references to the various schools. I am just going to let them be nameless for now.
In a nutshell I was hired by academy A, and that's the academy that I signed my contract with. I ended up working at Academy B (which wasn't allowed to have an E-2 Visa. I won't say why just to prevent a hijacking of my thread.) The woman who owned the academy where I did my work wasn't allowed to have an English teacher, but she wanted one anyway. She happened to be friends with a lady who started Academy A which was a real English Academy. So together they came up with a half baked to deal to hire me through Academy A, and have me work at Academy B. They didn't tell me this however. I was just passed around like a piece of chattel. As if that wasn't bad enough, it turned out my visa was actually sponsored by Academy C. I had no idea about any of this when I made arrangements to come and work in Korea. Essentially, I was conned into working for Academy B.
When I arrived I did notice that the school I was working at had a different name. It was explained to me that Academy B, is actually owned by Academy A. This was a lie. I decided to go with it since I had worked in Korea before and my previous company had two buildings and that was alright. I ultimately received my ARC. To me this meant that things were fine. I reasoned that an ARC means Immigration looked everything over, and it approved of my situation. After receiving my ARC I still felt something was wrong in my gut, but decided to let it go.
Here is where is starts getting tricking. Academy C which was sponsoring my visa went out of business, and the owner (my boss on paper) didn't tell anyone for more than two months. So, one night I get a phone call from a stranger telling me that I don't have a visa anymore. I rushed down to the school where I actually work, and tried to talk to my boss about it. She just said "Don't worry, it's all okay." I should have quit on the spot, but I decided to wait and see what was up, and if the situation could be salvaged. Eventually they told me that I would have to send my degree back to Canada to have it approved with the Korean Embassy. After that things would be fixed. I went ahead, and did what they asked me to do.
The guy who closed Academy C opened another academy, lets call that one Academy D. He and the woman at Academy B (where I was actually doing my work) wanted to transfer my visa to Academy D. I gave the woman my approved degree and she said she would fix everything. After I finished class I was at my desk and she returned, and said that she had been at Immigration. We had the following converstaion
Boss (Academy B) "Everything is okay now, and here is your contract."
Me: "What contract?"
Boss: "Your new contract."
Me: "I didn't sign a new contract. Why is my name signed here?"
Boss: "Oh, I signed your contract for you."
That's right people. The woman I actually worked for, and that mofo from Academy D entered me into a new contract without asking me or telling me, and my boss forged my name! This is on a legal document that was presented to Immigration.
About two days later my boss came back to me and said "Do you remember when I said everything was alright? Well, it's not. You have to leave the country now."
After all of that crap, they actually though that I would leave, and do a visa run and keep working for them.
I will admit that I have taken more b.s. than I should have. I do believe in finishing a job that I start, and trying to resolve issues internally before any other options are looked at. I was determined to stay there as long as life was only annoying, or unhappy, but these people were breaking laws! I just decided then and there that I had had all the "help" from them that I was going to have. I thought to myself, even if you get a visa worked out with Academy D, you will still have to work in a place that's not sponsoring your visa, is not registered with immigration, and is not allowed to have an English teacher period. I was conned in the first place, and lied to several time (and I am talking bold faced-lies people.) My name was forged on a legal document. There was just no way I could stay there any longer.
The next day (yesterday) I didn't go into work. I went to immigration myself to see where I stood. I was quite nervous and knew that being detained was going to be a real possibility, however I figured better go to them than have something show up at Incheon Airport. As it turned out the man was nice, and just told me that I should leave. He changed my exit date in the system, then he said, and I quote " You have one month to exit the country, but leave soon!"
So here I am in Seoul at a pc bang trying to figure out what to do next. I would like to ask a question. Given what I have told you do you think that I have a visa at the moment? I want to know because if I still somehow (stanger things have happened) have a visa or some sort of connection the man who owned Academy C I want a letter of release before I go. Since Academy C is closed, and I haven't been transfered to Academy D doesn't that mean that I don't have a visa? BUT, if I don't have a visa, then why did the guy at Immigration officially give me a month to leave? I should have asked at immigration, but I was so 'nerved up', and just happy to hear that I wasn't being detained or in any personal trouble it didn't cross my mind. I am not very interested in returning to immigration to ask. I will if I have to, but I am thinking that if I got away yesterday the best thing might be to just stay away and leave. What if the next person I ask is in a bad mood, or asks more questions? As a start I am going to have my girlfriend call Academy D, and hopefully ask the guy tonight. He can't be trusted, but I don't know what else to do.
Also in closing, any recommendations on the cheapest way to Bangkok? I dont' care about transfers and or waiting time, just saving money. Thanks in advance. |
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ThingsComeAround

Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:37 am Post subject: Re: This is All Kinds of Crazy (Update) |
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Murph wrote: |
In a nutshell I was hired by academy A, and that's the academy that I signed my contract with. I ended up working at Academy B (which wasn't allowed to have an E-2 Visa. I won't say why just to prevent a hijacking of my thread.) The woman who owned the academy where I did my work wasn't allowed to have an English teacher, but she wanted one anyway. She happened to be friends with a lady who started Academy A which was a real English Academy. So together they came up with a half baked to deal to hire me through Academy A, and have me work at Academy B. They didn't tell me this however. I was just passed around like a piece of chattel. As if that wasn't bad enough, it turned out my visa was actually sponsored by Academy C. I had no idea about any of this when I made arrangements to come and work in Korea. Essentially, I was conned into working for Academy B. |
I remember your story. Not sure if it was deleted by mods, not sure if you are trolling, but I'll bite.
Murph wrote: |
Here is where is starts getting tricking. Academy C which was sponsoring my visa went out of business, and the owner (my boss on paper) didn't tell anyone for more than two months. So, one night I get a phone call from a stranger telling me that I don't have a visa anymore. I rushed down to the school where I actually work, and tried to talk to my boss about it. She just said "Don't worry, it's all okay." I should have quit on the spot, but I decided to wait and see what was up, and if the situation could be salvaged. Eventually they told me that I would have to send my degree back to Canada to have it approved with the Korean Embassy. After that things would be fixed. I went ahead, and did what they asked me to do.
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Mistake #1. You should have left the school. They lied to you, you ate it up and became their sucker. Koreans have a name for people like you: Chocobo
That's a giant bird people ride on.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/67/Chocobo.png
Murph wrote: |
The guy who closed Academy C opened another academy, lets call that one Academy D. He and the woman at Academy B (where I was actually doing my work) wanted to transfer my visa to Academy D. I gave the woman my approved degree and she said she would fix everything. After I finished class I was at my desk and she returned, and said that she had been at Immigration. We had the following converstaion
Boss (Academy B) "Everything is okay now, and here is your contract."
Me: "What contract?"
Boss: "Your new contract."
Me: "I didn't sign a new contract. Why is my name signed here?"
Boss: "Oh, I signed your contract for you."
That's right people. The woman I actually worked for, and that mofo from Academy D entered me into a new contract without asking me or telling me, and my boss forged my name! This is on a legal document that was presented to Immigration. |
Their second big ride on your back. And you let this happen.
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About two days later my boss came back to me and said "Do you remember when I said everything was alright? Well, it's not. You have to leave the country now."
After all of that crap, they actually though that I would leave, and do a visa run and keep working for them. |
After all that crap, they knew they could take a big dump and flush you out.
Murph wrote: |
I will admit that I have taken more b.s. than I should have. I do believe in finishing a job that I start, and trying to resolve issues internally before any other options are looked at. I was determined to stay there as long as life was only annoying, or unhappy, but these people were breaking laws! I just decided then and there that I had had all the "help" from them that I was going to have. I thought to myself, even if you get a visa worked out with Academy D, you will still have to work in a place that's not sponsoring your visa, is not registered with immigration, and is not allowed to have an English teacher period. I was conned in the first place, and lied to several time (and I am talking bold faced-lies people.) My name was forged on a legal document. There was just no way I could stay there any longer. |
But you did work for them after they forged your name. You did stay longer, until you were facing a penalty (for foolishly following them)
Murph wrote: |
The next day (yesterday) I didn't go into work. I went to immigration myself to see where I stood. I was quite nervous and knew that being detained was going to be a real possibility, however I figured better go to them than have something show up at Incheon Airport. As it turned out the man was nice, and just told me that I should leave. He changed my exit date in the system, then he said, and I quote " You have one month to exit the country, but leave soon!" |
That's what you must do. You answered your next question:
Murph wrote: |
So here I am in Seoul at a pc bang trying to figure out what to do next. I would like to ask a question. Given what I have told you do you think that I have a visa at the moment? I want to know because if I still somehow (stanger things have happened) have a visa or some sort of connection the man who owned Academy C I want a letter of release before I go. Since Academy C is closed, and I haven't been transfered to Academy D doesn't that mean that I don't have a visa? BUT, if I don't have a visa, then why did the guy at Immigration officially give me a month to leave? I should have asked at immigration, but I was so 'nerved up', and just happy to hear that I wasn't being detained or in any personal trouble it didn't cross my mind. I am not very interested in returning to immigration to ask. I will if I have to, but I am thinking that if I got away yesterday the best thing might be to just stay away and leave. What if the next person I ask is in a bad mood, or asks more questions? As a start I am going to have my girlfriend call Academy D, and hopefully ask the guy tonight. He can't be trusted, but I don't know what else to do. |
YOU DON'T HAVE A VISA. HOW COULD YOU AFTER IMMI TOLD YOU THAT YOU SHOULD LEAVE THE COUNTRY? WHY WOULD YOU WASTE TIME AND CALL THE ACADEMY? |
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Boodleheimer

Joined: 10 Mar 2006 Location: working undercover for the Man
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 3:48 am Post subject: |
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you have 30 days to leave.
leave.
(try taiwan. show up, interview at a few places, start work there.) |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009 Location: somewhere in China
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:42 am Post subject: |
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I'll tell you my solution before I comment on the particulars of your situation. I left Korea and came to China and studied (student visa), thinking I could get a work visa back in Korea at a later time (which I could still do).
For like 3 million won, you get 3-4 months and can study with a place to live (dorm life though). Maybe some would prefer to leave and re-enter with 90 days. That would have been option 2 if things didn't pan out here.
After moving north and leaving one school, I am happy over the pond. We actually teach Koreans, so I am getting best of both worlds in some ways. If you are saving up to pay for loans though, I don't recommend China since the salary is low here.
Now, let's look at your situation so you don't do this again.
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So together they came up with a half baked to deal to hire me through Academy A, and have me work at Academy B. |
This is normal. Even though it may not be legit, and I am not promoting it, it happens. The alternatives amount to the same thing and are often worse. Instead of 2 people knowing each other, I had a "non-profit" organization working with public schools. Even though they did things by the book and were able to get my visa issues resolved with immigration, they nickel and dimed me with everything.
I worked 4 years in Japan, 2.5 in Korea, and I am now in China where I have worked at 2 schools since May. I have better working relationships with people who are not as strict and I'll comment more on this later.
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I had no idea about any of this when I made arrangements to come and work in Korea. Essentially, I was conned into working for Academy B. |
You didn't know about Academy A either. You just got a description. If B was so bad, you wouldn't have waited for them to tell you anything. This is the start of where it's going from not adjusting to the way things are done to blaming others because you are not in absolute control of your life now.
I understand what you are feeling, but it's not 100% their fault. There are no guarantees with these kind of offers. If you worked at B until they told you about not working there, then that indicates to me you enjoyed your time there and would have finished the year if nothing came up. If that's not true, you neglected to deal with it and it's best you find something else.
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Eventually they told me that I would have to send my degree back to Canada |
This is not them being sneaky. This is a red flag indirectly communicating to you that something significant is going on. If you did nothing at this point, either you were lazy or naive to this. Again, this is not the school's fault. If anything, they were trying to salvage your visa status.
If they didn't want you, it would have been easier to have fired you.
If you like where you are working, it is best to let the school handle things and cooperate with them. If you are unsure of the results, save your money and wait till it gets resolved.
Don't buy furniture, exercise equipment, computers, or anything large. You will have to get rid of it if and when you have to leave. Wait till things are resolved.
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Boss: "Oh, I signed your contract for you." |
If the contract had the same conditions, again, I wouldn't think much of it. The alternative is where you are now. Would you have rather left earlier? They tried to make things work to keep you there. It's a surprise, YES, but I see nothing they did to indicate malice.
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About two days later my boss came back to me and said "Do you remember when I said everything was alright? Well, it's not. You have to leave the country now." |
When schools say anything like this, you need to follow them up on it. You need to find out why there is a change. Don't be angry or demanding, but do something nice and find out. It not only will educate you for future school issues, but you can test the honesty/sincerity of the current school.
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After all of that crap, they actually though that I would leave, and do a visa run and keep working for them. |
Crap? "What we have here is a failure to communicate."
Now you have gone from misinformed, to blaming, to judging their way of doing this. What exactly would you have preferred? From what I see is you went to Korea and worked at another school, but you didn't do anything about it. So, that indicates to me it didn't matter. You are just bringing it up now to pour salt in your wounds. Faced with either firing you or getting you another school, the school decided to get you another school. You don't think of this as a nice gesture but crap.
Common sense would tell you that if you signed up for School A, got School B, and then told to go to School C, you would eventually be moved around until you reached school Z.
If that is not what you want in life, then you need to walk out of school B from the get go when School A refuses to let you work there. For me, I don't mind this shuffling. I signed 5 one year contracts during my time in Korea, but I only lived there for 2.5 years. I only worked at one school for a year. Another was canceled before the starting contract period.
This is not like moving back in your home country. You can't just pitch a tent and stay there as long as you want. You are more like a tourist, and you must be ready to move on if you aren't going to marry one of the locals.
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........Academy D doesn't that mean that I don't have a visa? BUT, if I don't have a visa, then why did the guy at Immigration officially give me a month to leave? |
They give you an exit order. This just gives you time to wrap up things with the assumption you aren't coming back. Go to the pension office and apply for it if you are owed. This money can be transferred to a bank back home or you can transfer online. I can give you more info if needed.
Since it seems like you still want to work, contact recruiters. If you worked more than 6 months, then you can transfer your visa I understand. Look into all last minute possibilities. Doing a visa run is better than nothing. You are in the country, and you had a school helping you to get another school, so you have the advantage. When you leave Korea, it will be much harder to find a job in Korea. Leaving only helps buy time. |
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