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g-ese

Joined: 21 Feb 2004 Location: Busan
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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 4:13 pm Post subject: My two dads.... |
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Ok. I work for this place that was sold 2 MONTHS AGO without any notice to me. Well, I knew, but the "former" owner, we'll call him Owner A, never told me. He just doesn't show up anymore. I figured I will give him room to tell me on his own time, while I am seething underneath for the major lie we are living. At the same time, the rest of the staff knew, but didn't care, but then they, and the new owner, we'll call her Owner B, begged us not to confront Owner A about it, saying they didn't want him to lose face. Monday, his license with his picture came off the wall.
So yesterday, I finally confront Owner A about his selling the business. He tells me he didn't, he still owns it. Owner B is just helping out. I asked why I am being payed from Owner B's account. Owner A says he is giving her the cash to pay us because he doesn't have time (he has consistently paid me late or not in full). Owner A says he pays for the apartment, my salary, and not to worry, he will pay my bonus and airfare. Owner B just sits there and watches, not speaking a lick of English. Owner A's hands are trembling, of course, he does drink a lot. Owner A tells me that whatever Owner B told me was probably messed up by the interpreter, his own teachers. Owner B later asks me via another teacher what Owner A said. I tell her. She says that that is a lie. She is the new owner. But some of his licenses are on the wall, as he pointed out. I have a contract with Owner A, but not Owner B. Owner B has paid me on time, and has moved me to a better apartment. Now I don't know what to do. Should I sign a new agreement with Owner B? Owner A still claims to own this place. To complicate matters, Owner B is short on cash, but Owner A is loaded. If Owner B defaults, can I go after Owner A for my money? I have been here 8 months. WTF!!!! |
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Kristsoy
Joined: 23 Mar 2004
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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 6:27 pm Post subject: ok |
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if they try to get u to sign a new contract say no. Dont sign anything else unless you are recontracting. Dont worry about new onwership, im sure they are that stupid that they want problems with immigration as to why you have 2 conracts with two different dates. the date on you AR card is the dater your contract is over. It's not your fault or your problem that the school changed owners. Just teach out your contract and get the hell outta there, and enjoy the better apt. |
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crazylemongirl

Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Location: almost there...
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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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more problematic is that your visa is tied to owner A. If you are not working for owner A then you are technically working illegally. I would get in touch with efl -law |
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Kristsoy
Joined: 23 Mar 2004
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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 7:48 pm Post subject: ? |
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she is not working illegally if the school name didnt change |
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Mr. Pink

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China
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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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Well isn't a person who sponsers you to be in Korea, rather than a school? |
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crazylemongirl

Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Location: almost there...
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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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Mr. Pink wrote: |
Well isn't a person who sponsers you to be in Korea, rather than a school? |
yes it's tied to the person, not the school. |
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Kristsoy
Joined: 23 Mar 2004
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:22 am Post subject: ok |
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then why is the address of the school on the ARC, just because the name of the owner changed that doesnt make her illegal because she's still working for the same school with the same name and the same address |
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lawyertood

Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul, Incheon and the World--working undercover for the MOJ
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:43 am Post subject: |
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Actually I have to agree with crazylemongirl...this happened to me six years ago. I called immigration at the time and they told me I had to get a new visa.
Besides, I have my address on my ARC. Many institutes put the institute address on the form submitted to immigration in case they shuttle you to another apartment during the contract you don't have to go down to immigration and file a change of address. |
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maxxx_power

Joined: 17 Mar 2003 Location: BWAHAHAHAHA! I'M FREE!!!!!!!
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:44 am Post subject: Re: ok |
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Kristsoy wrote: |
then why is the address of the school on the ARC, just because the name of the owner changed that doesnt make her illegal because she's still working for the same school with the same name and the same address |
Kristoy you're wrong about this. An individual sponsors your visa and when the school ownership is changed you MUST notify immigration to have a new E-2 issued. New contracts are also required.
This happened to me before I was anally raped by a gang of Korean hogwan owners last August/September. They tried to tell me that the school was not sold and not to worry as the new owner was merely a manager. Haha, what a jackass. When it came time for me to leave as I had given notice with the old boss the new one played ignorant and reported me as a runner, despite having cancelled my E-2. It took a bribe to immigration from my current boss to "expedite" my new visa issuance letter.
My advice to the OP is to make sure everything will be accounted for if you think there's the slightest chance the new boss will try and weasel out of it and dick you on the final pay. Screwing the foreign teacher is a national pastime here. If you think you'll be ok then I'd just wait out the four months, collect your final pay and not say a word to immigration.
The work visa system in this country is royally fucked much like many other things encountered in this god forsaken land. |
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Kristsoy
Joined: 23 Mar 2004
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:51 am Post subject: ok |
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if she signs another contract she's gonna be screwed becasue they will tell her that her contract doesnt finish in 4 months. she shouldnt sign anything or go to immigration, it's not her job to tell immigration that ownership has changed. she has to keep the status quo and keep her $ |
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g-ese

Joined: 21 Feb 2004 Location: Busan
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the advice posted so far. I just had a chat with the new owner last night. She doesn't speak English so it was difficult, but she told me to put up with it for four more months until my contract ends. Then everything will be resigned at the end of the four months. The problem is that the old boss is telling me that he still is the boss, even though he is not. Now, is there any way for me to find out who the owner is? |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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crazylemongirl

Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Location: almost there...
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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if you have a korean friend. you could ask for a copy certificate of business registration or establishment of language institute bit of paperwork and get them to take a look at the names and addresses on it. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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Why does g-ese have to worry about who is the owner? In addition, to all the stress associated with the job and living in Korea, g-ese has to try to determine the correct owner.
crazylemongirl wrote,
if you have a Korean friend. you could ask for a copy certificate of business registration or establishment of language institute bit of paperwork and get them to take a look at the names and addresses on it.
Good advise but why is it necessary?
Should your work and life in a foreign country be dependent upon the kindness of a friend? How many foreigners have Korean friends that will help them was this kind of problem? How do you feel using your friends for your work? |
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crazylemongirl

Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Location: almost there...
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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Real Reality wrote: |
Should your work and life in a foreign country be dependent upon the kindness of a friend? How many foreigners have Korean friends that will help them was this kind of problem? How do you feel using your friends for your work? |
immigration departments are tricky places the world over. I helped sort a problem for someone back in new zealand so that he could stay working there, he was english speaking but I had some good contacts to help hime out.
Here the biggest problem is that we exist in a knowledge vacum. A lot of directors are ingnorant of the rules and of communicating them to you. Sometimes it is totally willful but my experience with korean employers are that they aren't the dot your Is cross your Ts types of people. We don't speak korean so finding out processes is very dificult for us and we have to put our faith in others. |
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