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Had an argument with my co-teacher.
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Carla



Joined: 21 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a lot of leeway in my classes (and way more classes a month than lessons in the book) so I use my free time to talk about different aspects of the world. Sometimes I talk about cultures, sometimes I talk about environments, and sometimes I talk about races.

I never mention racism or anything like that. I explain the differences, and how those differences came to be. I explain that white people are from Europe where there isn't as much sunlight, so we have paler skin, and asians and blacks are from areas with much more sunlight, and the darker skin protects them from skin cancer. (This part makes them feel better about having darker skin, especially since some of my students are quite dark.)

I explain the eye color. Light colored eyes see better in the dimmer light, but has more trouble than dark eyes when dealing with brighter sunlight. (Also developed from the amount of sunlight where we developed.

I go through the differences of each race, and even some differences in nationalities, such as why white Americans are different from white Europeans.

Needless to say, my students are all young, when you can actually talk to them. I don't say anything negative one way of the other, just they are different. As for the adults.... well, have you ever tried to convince someone that everything they believe in is wrong? It's a hard road to take if you take it.

On the lighter side, this is really funny.


http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/neo-nazi-couple-find-out-theyre-jewish/19648414?icid=main%7Chtmlws-main-n%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%7C173172

Man, I hate stupid people, but sometimes, stupid is just funny.
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Caffeinated



Joined: 11 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carla wrote:
Needless to say, my students are all young, when you can actually talk to them. I don't say anything negative one way of the other, just they are different. As for the adults.... well, have you ever tried to convince someone that everything they believe in is wrong? It's a hard road to take if you take it.


At our public school orientation one of the speakers was a Korean HS history teacher who started by pointing out Korea's difficult relationship with Japan but soon deteriorated into full-on Japan is evil rant, how all Japanese culture comes from Korea etc. It was amusing to watch but equally sad how institutionalized some attitudes are.
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Vagabundo



Joined: 26 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a little surprised OP because though many Korean kids are racist, they generally like and even try to imitate American rappers, who of course are 99% black.

and they also like guys like NeYo and even Sisqo.

My kids would've started imitating Ludacris' rap and movements/rap style.

then of course, if one of their classmates is darker skinned, they'll laugh and call him "Africa".

Doesn't make much logical sense but it is what it is.
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Carla



Joined: 21 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Caffeinated wrote:
Carla wrote:
Needless to say, my students are all young, when you can actually talk to them. I don't say anything negative one way of the other, just they are different. As for the adults.... well, have you ever tried to convince someone that everything they believe in is wrong? It's a hard road to take if you take it.


At our public school orientation one of the speakers was a Korean HS history teacher who started by pointing out Korea's difficult relationship with Japan but soon deteriorated into full-on Japan is evil rant, how all Japanese culture comes from Korea etc. It was amusing to watch but equally sad how institutionalized some attitudes are.


Ya, the Japanese thing is bad. I had one student (one that I like) announce that she didn't like Japanese. I finally had to break it down to her and list the bad things in Korean history. I asked her should people hate her for the things that Koreans did, or should the past be put to bed. I don't know if I changed her mind, but at least I gave her something to think about when she gets a little older.
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bobbybigfoot



Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A better approach Op is to preach without preaching. Rather than say, "YOU ARE WRONG!", just tell him how this is not your experience with black people. Maybe go on to tell a touching story.

Here's something I might have said:

"I used to work with a tall, black and disgustingly handsome Jamaican. He dressed like dynamite, was polite, kind, intelligent, about 6'3", chock-full of muscle. We spoke of racism and I told him I didn't think there was that much racism for black people in Ottawa. He told me not so much in Ottawa, but just cross the border and it's a different story. He's been stopped three times by the police because he's a black guy driving a Mercedes. Must be stolen they think. The police always let him go but he has to justify why he is in Quebec. "Because I'm Canadian and I have a right to be here."

You and I have never had to experience this kind of profiling.

Anyhow, talk to you later."
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matthews_world



Joined: 15 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's how the kids here in Korea are. Actually it's quite a compliment. Keep in mind that the Korean word for "interesting" and "funny" is the same.

Once you're here for a while and learn a bit of the culture, you'll want to tweak your lessons accordingly.
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kimdeal54



Joined: 28 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bobbybigfoot wrote:
A better approach Op is to preach without preaching. Rather than say, "YOU ARE WRONG!", just tell him how this is not your experience with black people. Maybe go on to tell a touching story.

Here's something I might have said:

"I used to work with a tall, black and disgustingly handsome Jamaican. He dressed like dynamite, was polite, kind, intelligent, about 6'3", chock-full of muscle. We spoke of racism and I told him I didn't think there was that much racism for black people in Ottawa. He told me not so much in Ottawa, but just cross the border and it's a different story. He's been stopped three times by the police because he's a black guy driving a Mercedes. Must be stolen they think. The police always let him go but he has to justify why he is in Quebec. "Because I'm Canadian and I have a right to be here."

You and I have never had to experience this kind of profiling.

Anyhow, talk to you later."


I like this approach.

I was chatting with a co-teacher a few months ago, and for some reason the subject turned to China. Anyway, she leaned in and said quietly, "Actually, I really don't like Chinese people." I responded, not in a confrontational way, but as if I was sharing a story, "Ah, yes... back in Ireland, I have a very good friend who's Chinese. He told me about how easy it was to find teaching jobs in China, and after I started researching, I learned about Korea. After weighing my options, I ended up in Korea. He's a good guy... must send him an email..." It was quite funny to see her trying to take back her words after that.
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Kaypea



Joined: 09 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

brickabrack wrote:
ippy wrote:
Ill be honest. I laughed too when he came on the screen. Maybe your kids are smart and laughed for the same two reasons:

1. What the hell is an old dude hanging ouyt with a ten year old and pretending they are best mates?

2. What depths will that dude go to get paid?


I think there is some pretty good input/advice, but this is ^^^^^^^^ also
what I was thinking. Really, Luda? You n Beebs?


I agree that Luda is funny, even to black people...

Still, I "know what you mean". I've wondered if I haven't fought the battle enough. Like the time a kid drew Obama with monkey ears... I was probably supposed to get really mad, but I was just like, "whatev". I know they make fun of me and my nose as well.
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toonchoon



Joined: 06 Feb 2009
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i can't believe you did that. good job pro - you just made +1 (or more) enemies at work, as all Koreans talk.

seriously... you're in Korea and not the lil happy go lucky village back "home".
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afsjesse



Joined: 23 Sep 2007
Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haven't posted in a while, but for what it's worth:

You're not going to change anything while in Korea. Best to just keep things going and at most state that you respectfully disagree.
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Wishmaster



Joined: 06 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, just let it go. The racist attitudes are deeply, and I mean deeply, ingrained here. You won't change it. Many have tried. The only ones who can change it are the Koreans and that ain't gonna happen for a long, long, long time, if ever. Just state your view on things and collect the paycheck.
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