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plato's republic
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 Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:16 am Post subject: ATEK Meeting |
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I came across this in 10 Magazine's online edition, regarding an ATEK Labor Law meeting being held in Itaewon in November. Might be worth a look or even a visit to the event itself, particularly for newbies. Nice little dig at Dave's in there... 
I don't know how much influence ATEK have with the relevant Korean authorities but if anyone does end up going, perhaps you could stress that the best way to legally hammer an unscrupulous hagwon boss would be VISA PORTABILITY.
Here's the link:
http://10magazine.asia/8315/free-labor-clinic/ |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:53 am Post subject: |
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| November 20 (Sat) 3~8pm. Am I the only one that works Saturdays? Why do they schedule events for (hagwon) teachers on Saturday afternoons? |
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Bibbitybop
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:08 am Post subject: |
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| T-J wrote: |
| November 20 (Sat) 3~8pm. Am I the only one that works Saturdays? Why do they schedule events for (hagwon) teachers on Saturday afternoons? |
ATEK isn't only for hogwan teachers. That time is probably ideal for most teachers in Korea given most work m-f. |
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T-J
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:23 am Post subject: |
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I understand ATEK isn't only for hagwon teachers. It is a labor law seminar and I would think that hagwon teachers would have the most interest in that. I'm surprised most hagwon teachers don't work Saturdays, as it's one of the busiest days of the week for us.
So the average hagwon jockey is working 30 hours or less a week? That's a part time job with full time pay. Enjoy it while it lasts, cause when you go back to the real world you're going to realize you never had it so good and probably never will again. |
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morrisonhotel
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:27 am Post subject: |
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| T-J wrote: |
| I understand ATEK isn't only for hagwon teachers. It is a labor law seminar and I would think that hagwon teachers would have the most interest in that. I'm surprised most hagwon teachers don't work Saturdays, as it's one of the busiest days of the week for us. |
There are, of course, always the migrant centers for this sort of thing. The one I volunteer at is open every Sunday for counseling from 10am - 7pm. |
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plato's republic
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:38 am Post subject: |
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| Any Korean government/immigration officials going to be present at this event? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:13 pm Post subject: Re: ATEK Meeting |
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| plato's republic wrote: |
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I don't know how much influence ATEK have with the relevant Korean authorities / |
Zip, zero, nada. |
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grant_steves
Joined: 26 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| T-J wrote: |
| So the average hagwon jockey is working 30 hours or less a week? That's a part time job with full time pay. Enjoy it while it lasts, cause when you go back to the real world you're going to realize you never had it so good and probably never will again. |
One would have pretty low expectations for themselves if they thought that working at a hagwon was the good life, and something worth "enjoying while it lasts."
Hagwon teachers teach 30 hours a week, this is far more contact hours than any normal teaching job requires, so it's bollocks to say that it's a part-time job. Working at a hagwon is a full-time job, especially once you take into consideration the lack of paid vacation time that hagwons provide. Yes, hagwon classes generally require less prep time, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a full-time job. |
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runthegauntlet
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:50 am Post subject: |
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| T-J wrote: |
I'm surprised most hagwon teachers don't work Saturdays, as it's one of the busiest days of the week for us.
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Seriously? I've known of one hagwon in my last three years here that works Saturdays. Do you have 6 day work weeks or do you have a week day off? |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 5:25 am Post subject: |
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| grant_steves wrote: |
| T-J wrote: |
| So the average hagwon jockey is working 30 hours or less a week? That's a part time job with full time pay. Enjoy it while it lasts, cause when you go back to the real world you're going to realize you never had it so good and probably never will again. |
One would have pretty low expectations for themselves if they thought that working at a hagwon was the good life, and something worth "enjoying while it lasts."
Hagwon teachers teach 30 hours a week, this is far more contact hours than any normal teaching job requires, so it's bollocks to say that it's a part-time job. Working at a hagwon is a full-time job, especially once you take into consideration the lack of paid vacation time that hagwons provide. Yes, hagwon classes generally require less prep time, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a full-time job. |
Are you talking in Korea or for teaching in general?
30 hours a week is near full time but it is not a heavy schedule in general working terms.
As for ATEK, while they wield limited influence, they have been making positive choices in the past year or so. They are more realistic now as to what they can and cannot do and more to the point as to what they should and should not do. |
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grant_steves
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Are you talking in Korea or for teaching in general?
30 hours a week is near full time but it is not a heavy schedule in general working terms. |
Both....public school teachers in Korea have what, 22 contact hours to get their base salary? University teachers between 12 and 18 (maybe 20 at a really crappy school.)
Sure....teachers at home might have more contact hours than here in Korea, but they also only teach 180 days/year, so it evens out.
I am not saying that working at a hagwon entails a 'heavy schedule', but it's ridiculous to say that it's a part-time job....and it's even more ridiculous to say that it's a job that someone will look back on as "the good ole' days." |
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sojusucks
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| grant_steves wrote: |
| T-J wrote: |
| So the average hagwon jockey is working 30 hours or less a week? That's a part time job with full time pay. Enjoy it while it lasts, cause when you go back to the real world you're going to realize you never had it so good and probably never will again. |
One would have pretty low expectations for themselves if they thought that working at a hagwon was the good life, and something worth "enjoying while it lasts."
Hagwon teachers teach 30 hours a week, this is far more contact hours than any normal teaching job requires, so it's bollocks to say that it's a part-time job. Working at a hagwon is a full-time job, especially once you take into consideration the lack of paid vacation time that hagwons provide. Yes, hagwon classes generally require less prep time, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a full-time job. |
Are you talking in Korea or for teaching in general?
30 hours a week is near full time but it is not a heavy schedule in general working terms.
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Do you know how much prep time and work is involved with 30 hours of class time? Yes, it's a heavy workload. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| grant_steves wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Are you talking in Korea or for teaching in general?
30 hours a week is near full time but it is not a heavy schedule in general working terms. |
Both....public school teachers in Korea have what, 22 contact hours to get their base salary? University teachers between 12 and 18 (maybe 20 at a really crappy school.)
Sure....teachers at home might have more contact hours than here in Korea, but they also only teach 180 days/year, so it evens out.I am not saying that working at a hagwon entails a 'heavy schedule', but it's ridiculous to say that it's a part-time job....and it's even more ridiculous to say that it's a job that someone will look back on as "the good ole' days." |
Ok no offense but clearly you have never worked a full-time public school teaching job back home!
The hours are far heavier than 30 per week, average teachers take grading home on a regular basis (unpaid), deal with parents, discipline, staff meetings. By the time summer rolls around, most are dead tired from the school year.
A Hakwon job in comparison is a walk in the park. A Hakwon job at 30 hours per week is full time or nearly so. I would not call it part time.
Compared to PS the hours are heavier but class size is far, far smaller and dynamics differ. University positions are not a real comparative because they hire higher qualified teachers for a different job.
Sojusucks,
I am well aware of prep time as I was a full time certified teacher back in Canada and worked in Korea from 1997 -2008. I initially chose to work in a Hakwon. The prep time you talk about is highly variable and depends on the teacher and Hakwon. Many foreign teachers I knew did not prep their classes beyond flying through the material a few minutes before class. Others put in the hours to plan proper lessons. So it varies.
A Hakwon position is hard work sometimes but it is not that heavy a work load. When I first arrived in 1997 my Hakwon worked 6 days a week and our week was around 35 classes (40 minutes each). Preparation was something some of us did and it added hours. However, this was far lighter than what I was doing as a full-time teacher in Canada. In fact, in terms of workload, responsabilities and job demands, it was not even comparable. |
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