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Happiness is 85MKW?
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decolyon



Joined: 24 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 7:32 pm    Post subject: Happiness is 85MKW? Reply with quote

I remember reading an article in the Journal a few months back, that said essentially, money can buy you happiness, to a point. It said that through studying people of various income levels and how happy those people describe themselves, there is consistent and steady increase in happiness relevant to the increase in yearly income. The level of happiness is dramatically evident until the point to where people make about $75,000 a year. After that point, the level of happiness to income levels off. While there is still some increase, it's relatively minor compared to below that point. People said they are "happier" because they worry less about making ends meet, they don't worry about day to day expenses, they worry less about their children's future, and they feel secure that even if they lost their job, they could survive comfortably for a prolonged period of time.

This got me thinking, I know people that earn incomes at this upper range. I know some people that make in the low 6 figures yearly, and in general, these people (my friends in some cases) are much happier (at least on the surface) than I would consider myself to be. I did the rough math and found that the equivalent of 75K back home is roughly 85 million Korean won. My salary, plus benefits gets me to about 40 million a year. Which means, if I had more than double my salary, I should be "happy." After thinking about it, I would say I would feel more comfortable, I would worry less, and I think I could fit what might be described as happiness. I mean, wouldn't you? If you boss told you tomorrow he's going to double your salary and you wouldn't have to work any extra hours, wouldn't that be one of the best days of your life so far?

So, I wanted to put that out and get some feedback from you guys. Can happiness have a price tag? Would you be happy with 85mkw a year? Are there any of you making that amount and do you consider yourself happy? More importantly, how can I double my salary, legally, and not work myself to death for it? haha. Or is happiness not about money, but about the life you are living? I think if money wasn't an issue, I would have the time to pursue the things that make me happy, i.e. extensive travel, learning a musical instrument, learning a language, constantly improving myself. But, given I work 40 or more hours a week, combined with the daily responsibilities of being single and living alone, I often find I get maybe 2 or 3 hours a day of just "me time" and I usually just devote that to turning my brain off as I'm exhausted.

Anyways, I'd love to hear your opinions on it all. I look forward to your responses.
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redaxe



Joined: 01 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess $75,000 USD a year would be "enough" money for me in the sense that it would allow me to live in a very nice place and buy pretty much anything I need or really want, while I would probably get diminishing returns in happiness from additional salary beyond that.

If I had a housewife and kids, I would need a lot more money than that to be satisfied, though. $75,000 a year is not enough for two adults and a child or two, to enjoy the minimum standard of living that would make me "happy." Obviously it depends where you live, but where I live (Seattle) I think your household needs to be pulling in six figures a year to not be suffering any economic hardship.

I think happiness in terms of money is more about comparison to others, though. The richest man in a poor neighborhood tends to be much happier than the poorest man in a rich neighborhood, even if the latter is much richer than the former in absolute terms.
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Globutron



Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang

PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If I had a housewife and kids, I would need a lot more money than that to be satisfied, though. $75,000 a year is not enough for two adults and a child or two, to enjoy the minimum standard of living that would make me "happy."


Phew, you demand a lot. I'm on �13k a year and I'm happy. I'd personally say with a family, �50k a year will leave us with no struggle and comfort in life. Happiness, in money terms. Of course it wouldn't stop us arguing over who takes the kid to school today or whatever. Unless I bribe my wife every time.

But England being one of the most expensive places to live, I still think 50k a year would easily suffice.
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Who's Your Daddy?



Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Getting the money you need to buy the house you want gives value to me. But after that, the extra money doesn't seem to add much to life to me. And if you're staying in Korea, even more so.

Apart from a more expensive car/house, I can't think of anything I can't do here that more money would let me do. What would I do, eat steaks every day?
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you really just convert dollars into won in that fashion? Surely the lower cost of living in Korea should be taken into account?
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recessiontime



Joined: 21 Jun 2010
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard of another older study that said the figure was 50000 / year. Now it's climbed to 75000 a year lol.

I'm guessing it's inflation?
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decolyon



Joined: 24 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
Can you really just convert dollars into won in that fashion? Surely the lower cost of living in Korea should be taken into account?


I thought about that actually. But since the original study didn't compare costs of living throughout the US (which can be dramatically different depending on where you're located - for example, I have a friend who lived in LA and a small middle of nowhere town in Idaho on basically the same salary, within just a few thousand a year. It cost him 3x as much to support his family and rent a small house in LA than it did to live and support his family and buy a huge 3 story house in Idaho) you have to assume it's just an average.

But then you do have to consider that Korea doesn't have the cheap cost of living it did 5 or 10 years ago. Seoul gets constantly ranked as one of the 10 most expensive cities in the world to live in. I pay more for rent and food here than I did in Alabama and I'm getting about half as much. Especially in the apartment. I paid $300 a month for a two story apartment back home and pay about $500 a month here for a tiny little studio.

So, if you take an average American city, say Tacoma, WA for example (medium income and cost of living) and you equate Seoul to a place like Chicago (certainly not in the LA or New York arena, but higher than most US cities) the cost of living is only a few thousand off. So, while 85MKW may not be the exact figure, I feel it's fairly close.
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redaxe



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Globutron wrote:
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If I had a housewife and kids, I would need a lot more money than that to be satisfied, though. $75,000 a year is not enough for two adults and a child or two, to enjoy the minimum standard of living that would make me "happy."


Phew, you demand a lot. I'm on �13k a year and I'm happy. I'd personally say with a family, �50k a year will leave us with no struggle and comfort in life. Happiness, in money terms. Of course it wouldn't stop us arguing over who takes the kid to school today or whatever. Unless I bribe my wife every time.

But England being one of the most expensive places to live, I still think 50k a year would easily suffice.


For me, the vast majority of that increased salary would go toward a mortgage on a better house. You gotta understand, the average price of a house in Seattle is around $450,000 USD. That's like 280,000 GBP. If you make $75,000 USD a year, then an "average" house here is six times your annual salary. That's unaffordable. The only option is to find a cheaper place far out in the suburbs and commute for about an hour each way.
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pkang0202



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I need a six figure salary. Then I'll be happy. Why do I need that much?

I want at LEAST 4 bedroom house. I want to drive a nice car. I want to go into a restaurant and buy that $500 bottle of wine without doing the math in my head about the cost. If I want to impress my gf/wife with a nice date, I want the cash to be able to do something movie-like. I want a home theater in my house. I want a hot tub. I want to take a vacation without ever thinking, "Can I afford that?"

Thats not to say I'm not happy without those things. I'm plenty happy now. All those things that comes with making 6 figures a year will just me happier.
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Underwaterbob



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
Can you really just convert dollars into won in that fashion? Surely the lower cost of living in Korea should be taken into account?


Tempered by lack of social security?
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Fox



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Underwaterbob wrote:
Fox wrote: