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balzor

Joined: 14 Feb 2009
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:32 pm Post subject: What if school doesn't resign you? SMOE |
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| Can you just go to another school? Do they put you in a pool of teachers to move around? I'm getting the suspiscion my school won't because not enough kids signed up for my After School class so they didn't start it up. |
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sigmundsmith
Joined: 22 Nov 2007
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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Well if they didnt resign you then that means you are not fired.
If you are asking that if your school is not planning on re-signing you, well it depends on their comments and classroom observations and overall evaluation. You can also contact your district office to see what you can do. |
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Ukon
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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They give you a score(your school)....if it's below 70/100 you have to argue in your defense why it's low and ask for a transfer to a different school at the SMOE head office....very unlikely to occur unless you have some serious, hard evidence to refute poor performance accusations.
If your school doesn't want you, they likely didn't give you above 70....which is the re-hiring threshold....in otherwords...
start looking for another job.....
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: On the road to somewhere.
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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No worries. I wasn't re-signed by SMOE, and it was the best thing that could have happened to me. I left my nightmare SMOE school - left K - got my docs together - had a 6 month vacation - and then got a great job teaching in a private / public (EPIK) all-girls school. What a wonderful year that was.
Thanks SMOE - I'll never forget how you turned a blind eye to all those lovely kids being beaten every day. |
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sluggo832004
Joined: 04 Sep 2010
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| oldfatfarang wrote: |
No worries. I wasn't re-signed by SMOE, and it was the best thing that could have happened to me. I left my nightmare SMOE school - left K - got my docs together - had a 6 month vacation - and then got a great job teaching in a private / public (EPIK) all-girls school. What a wonderful year that was.
Thanks SMOE - I'll never forget how you turned a blind eye to all those lovely kids being beaten every day. |
I applied for SMOE. What problems did you have?? |
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balzor

Joined: 14 Feb 2009
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Ukon wrote: |
They give you a score(your school)....if it's below 70/100 you have to argue in your defense why it's low and ask for a transfer to a different school at the SMOE head office....very unlikely to occur unless you have some serious, hard evidence to refute poor performance accusations.
If your school doesn't want you, they likely didn't give you above 70....which is the re-hiring threshold....in otherwords...
start looking for another job..... |
reason I ask is, My evaluations are good(open classes, student/parent evals) I have never been late or missed a day of work, but not enough kids signed up for my after school class this semester and my co-teacher(after i asked her) told me that the VP was sorry for me that I didn't have an after school class. Then brings up that the previous teacher (she was Kyopo) had enough for all three years she was here. Basically he lost face because he had to mark that our school doesn't have a Native teacher AS class. So my question is, if they didn't want to renew me, does my name do onto a list to place at another school or do I try to transfer.
I am considering a private again. |
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Ukon
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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Lastly, the open class is used to judge your performance and is a BIG factor in a re-hiring concern like yours.
If your school gives you a score in the 60s(likely since it's reasonable, but allows them to release you), but you ace the open class, your in a much stronger position to argue. It also factors into your evaluation score so if they ding you heavily, you might end up being above 70
I was in your situation when I got assigned a new, nutcase boss, who disliked NETs around my 2nd re-conntract time.
Dinged me for everything under the sun and didn't help me on the open class.
Was showed the door despite having excellent praise and relations with the head office 3 months prior to this.
There was a recourse offered, but it invovled documenting everything and even then, it was a long shot. If you had submitted prior complaints, it helps quite a bit to support an argument according to the head office....granted it's much easier to send a new guy here than transfer an an employee(this was the attitude I often encountered or heard about...especially since they're cheaper).
Unless your were an model employee and they're drunken, racist louts, chances are your screwed....
BEST bet is to talk to your co-teachers and staff about it and promise to improve or be more model employee BEFORE they submit your evaluation.
One of my co-teachers advised against it....later the head office told me it likely would have saved my job
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Morticae
Joined: 06 May 2010
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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Why wouldn't the kids want to be in your afterschool class? That's strange. Buddy up with the students, schmooze them into being interested.
My school tries to restrict my AS class to 20 people, and so many want in that what they do is allow 2 people from each of the 10 classrooms. How do they determine those 2 people? Rock, paper, scissors tournament. I absolutely hate that this determines the students, as it allows in some really bad ones. But I also have free reign to kick them out of class, and I can bring in some "personal picks" if I want. |
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Ukon
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| balzor wrote: |
| Ukon wrote: |
They give you a score(your school)....if it's below 70/100 you have to argue in your defense why it's low and ask for a transfer to a different school at the SMOE head office....very unlikely to occur unless you have some serious, hard evidence to refute poor performance accusations.
If your school doesn't want you, they likely didn't give you above 70....which is the re-hiring threshold....in otherwords...
start looking for another job..... |
reason I ask is, My evaluations are good(open classes, student/parent evals) I have never been late or missed a day of work, but not enough kids signed up for my after school class this semester and my co-teacher(after i asked her) told me that the VP was sorry for me that I didn't have an after school class. Then brings up that the previous teacher (she was Kyopo) had enough for all three years she was here. Basically he lost face because he had to mark that our school doesn't have a Native teacher AS class. So my question is, if they didn't want to renew me, does my name do onto a list to place at another school or do I try to transfer.
I am considering a private again. |
I honestly doubt he cares....in many cases an after school class is a "perk" so you make more money....perhaps he pocketed some the students fees and wants his cut back.
In other cases, it's to fill your designated hours(not a "perk").
Your co-teachers submit your desire to re-hire to the principal along with your score and he signs off on it.....I know of one school where the principal was new and wanted a young NET....so he knocked off the 50 yr. old NET anyway.....if your current staff likes you, I don't think the Principal is going to try to get you removed just for that(unless he thinks you sabotaged it to spite him).....
Just keep bugging your co-teachers to give you a straight answer on the issue(trust me, it exist)...they technically aren't supposed to discuss scores and criteria with you, but they might(one of mine did, my friend's school refused).
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balzor

Joined: 14 Feb 2009
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Morticae wrote: |
Why wouldn't the kids want to be in your afterschool class? That's strange. Buddy up with the students, schmooze them into being interested.
My school tries to restrict my AS class to 20 people, and so many want in that what they do is allow 2 people from each of the 10 classrooms. How do they determine those 2 people? Rock, paper, scissors tournament. I absolutely hate that this determines the students, as it allows in some really bad ones. But I also have free reign to kick them out of class, and I can bring in some "personal picks" if I want. |
I'm not sure, First semester I had good turnout, then this semester only 1 signed up. My school is ranked lowest in the city in English scores. So the principal has been really pissy this year. It's probably a little my fa | | |