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Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 10:07 pm Post subject: Won-dollar rate closes at 1,107.5 Thursday |
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And experts say the won will keep appreciating versus the dollar, possibly to around 1,000 next year.
I'm sure this will make a lot of people on this board happy. |
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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010 Location: Truck Stop Missouri
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Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: Won-dollar rate closes at 1,107.5 Thursday |
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Yaya wrote: |
And experts say the won will keep appreciating versus the dollar, possibly to around 1,000 next year.
I'm sure this will make a lot of people on this board happy. |
I'm still noticing the consistent correlation with the US stock market. When it gains points, you get better won to dollar rates. It might have to do with a bull market causing an increased US dollar supply in the market in which an increased supply of anything loses value per unit. The experts are right in the won to dollar prediction if the US stock market keeps gaining like it's doing, but I'm not the expert. I'm just a forward observer. |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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My severance and bonuses don't kick in unti March. I hope the Won doesn't crash before that happens. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:17 am Post subject: |
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I'm just praying it gets back to the 2006 levels before I leave here for good. It sure was nice getting over $1000 for just W900k. |
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rooster_2006
Joined: 14 Oct 2007
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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Here's the article about what the US is doing, economically-speaking, in the Korea Times:
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2010/11/202_75768.html
This pumping of 600 billion dollars to devalue the dollar is a really good idea, something that I've been advocating for years, as an American citizen. The USD has been grossly overvalued for some time now. It has been hurting our exports and job market.
We can't manufacture anything anymore because American workers are just too darned expensive because of our overvalued currency. All the manufacturing jobs go out to China and other developing countries, as a result.
All the decent IT jobs are going out to India. Why pay an American college grad $50,000 a year when an Indian college grad will do exactly the same work for $7,000 a year?
For far too long, the US has been pushing on China to change the value of the RMB. This is a flawed approach. It's like telling your neighbor to make his lawn brown and ugly so that yours will look greener. Even if China agrees and values their currency, another developing country will simply take its place. India. Bangladesh. Pakistan. Vietnam. Ghana. The list of whack-a-moles that will pop up as soon as China values the RMB is easily 100+ countries long.
The solution is to devalue the US dollar and make the American worker cheaper without seriously compromising quality of life within the US. Use the same principle that China, India, etc. have been using for years. If we can't get other countries to value their currencies more highly, we should adapt to their economic tactics and use their tactics, as well. In other words, "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em."
Sure, a few problems will ensue. Gasoline and other imports will become more expensive. Traveling abroad will become more expensive. However, these problems are absolutely insignificant compared to 9.6% unemployment, massive outflow of jobs, and a country that doesn't manufacture anything anymore.
Jobs will fly back into the US at an incredible rate if we devalue our currency enough. Professions that, for the most part, left the country long ago -- programmer, Web designer, tech support worker, assembly line worker, customer service rep, software engineer -- maybe these jobs will COME BACK to the US and reduce the 9.6% unemployment rate!
And not only that, Americans working abroad will save more money in USD. That is what is happening with the won.
Of course China, Brazil, and Germany don't like this. Why should they? American workers will become more competitive internationally. However, in the cases of China and Brazil, they have long undervalued their currencies to gain an advantage, so for them to reprimand the US for doing exactly the same thing -- "Pot. Kettle. Black." |
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Globutron
Joined: 13 Feb 2010 Location: England/Anyang
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Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 3:41 am Post subject: |
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Converts the same as it did months ago for the Pound... |
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Poker
Joined: 16 Jan 2010
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Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:38 am Post subject: |
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I'm glad I exchanged my savings out of USD last month May the Asian currencies get stronger! If I had to convert back the cash, it would be an extra $2000 now, simply from the exchange rate.  |
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johnnyrook
Joined: 08 Nov 2009
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Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:58 am Post subject: |
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Good for the Americans I guess... when I came here a year ago it was about cheon won for one Aussie dollar. Now it's up to 1120 won. |
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markhan
Joined: 02 Aug 2006
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Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 5:46 am Post subject: |
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Sorry to say it, but majority of economists would laugh at your reasoning.
Just a simple math would indicate how fallible your argument is.
The last time I checked, GNP per capita for the US was over 30,000 dollars compared to only around 1,000 dollars for China (even less for India). http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gro_nat_inc_percap-gross-national-income-per-capita In this background, do you think small (even large) devaluation of dollar will have impact as you claim? Even you assert that it will be hard to employ an American who makes $50,000 as opposed to an Asian Indian who makes $7,000 in IT industry. And now, with the simple devaluation, �programmer, Web designer, tech support worker, assembly line worker, customer service rep, software engineer� will come back to the US? Man, that has got to be a major, all-time astronomical devaluation!!!!
For further reading, here is the quote from http://reason.com/archives/2010/10/26/china-bashing-is-for-losers
�Think about the IPod, for instance. It is designed in America and its 451 parts are made in dozens of different countries. But just because it is finally assembled in China, it officially counts as a Chinese import and therefore a contributor to America�s trade deficit�never mind that the Chinese add only $4 to the IPod�s $150 final value. Imposing duties on IPods to slash the deficit, then, won�t just cost Chinese jobs in Beijing assembly plants, but American jobs in Cupertino (Apple�s headquarters) computer labs.
rooster_2006 wrote: |
Here's the article about what the US is doing, economically-speaking, in the Korea Times:
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2010/11/202_75768.html
This pumping of 600 billion dollars to devalue the dollar is a really good idea, something that I've been advocating for years, as an American citizen. The USD has been grossly overvalued for some time now. It has been hurting our exports and job market.
We can't manufacture anything anymore because American workers are just too darned expensive because of our overvalued currency. All the manufacturing jobs go out to China and other developing countries, as a result.
All the decent IT jobs are going out to India. Why pay an American college grad $50,000 a year when an Indian college grad will do exactly the same work for $7,000 a year?
For far too long, the US has been pushing on China to change the value of the RMB. This is a flawed approach. It's like telling your neighbor to make his lawn brown and ugly so that yours will look greener. Even if China agrees and values their currency, another developing country will simply take its place. India. Bangladesh. Pakistan. Vietnam. Ghana. The list of whack-a-moles that will pop up as soon as China values the RMB is easily 100+ countries long.
The solution is to devalue the US dollar and make the American worker cheaper without seriously compromising quality of life within the US. Use the same principle that China, India, etc. have been using for years. If we can't get other countries to value their currencies more highly, we should adapt to their economic tactics and use their tactics, as well. In other words, "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em."
Sure, a few problems will ensue. Gasoline and other imports will become more expensive. Traveling abroad will become more expensive. However, these problems are absolutely insignificant compared to 9.6% unemployment, massive outflow of jobs, and a country that doesn't manufacture anything anymore.
Jobs will fly back into the US at an incredible rate if we devalue our currency enough. Professions that, for the most part, left the country long ago -- programmer, Web designer, tech support worker, assembly line worker, customer service rep, software engineer -- maybe these jobs will COME BACK to the US and reduce the 9.6% unemployment rate!
And not only that, Americans working abroad will save more money in USD. That is what is happening with the won.
Of course China, Brazil, and Germany don't like this. Why should they? American workers will become more competitive internationally. However, in the cases of China and Brazil, they have long undervalued their currencies to gain an advantage, so for them to reprimand the US for doing exactly the same thing -- "Pot. Kettle. Black." |
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rooster_2006
Joined: 14 Oct 2007
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Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 6:16 am Post subject: |
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markhan wrote: |
Sorry to say it, but majority of economists would laugh at your reasoning. |
And yet, economists just did exactly what I was proposing. So...
Oh man, thank you. I perused that so-called "credible source" for a while and haven't laughed that hard in quite a while! Your source claims that the average Irishman makes $22,000 per year! LOL! An Irishman making minimum wage makes more than that, now.
Oh man. That list is HILARIOUS -- when was it compiled, 1990? It shows Japan as being richer per capita than the US! My guess is 1989, 1990, or 1991. Am I right, or am I right?
And what's with Libya being at $0.00 per capita? Gee, I guess if I fly over Libya in a plane and drop a briefcase containing $64,200, Libya's GDP per capita will go up to $0.01! Poor Libyans. Must be tough for the average Libyan not to have even a single US cent!
Man, thanks for making me burst out laughing -- Russia, $1,700?! Man, this must have been right after the dissolution of the USSR!
The average American now makes $46,381 per year. Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_of_America
The average Chinese now makes $4,283 a year. Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Republic_of_China
Maybe your figures were right 20 years ago, but this is 2010.
The numbers that I stated were in NOMINAL GDP, so don't even bother claiming that I got "PPP" and "nominal" mixed up. I didn't. China's GDP per capita is not 1/30th of America's as you claim. It is approximately 1/10th.
Besides, even if your numbers were correct, those would be for the average working man in that country, not a skilled specialist. The average income in India may only be around $1,000 per year, BUT you can bet university-educated Indian programmers who also speak fluent English don't settle for $1,000 a year. They make around $7,000 per year starting wage. I checked this on PayScale.
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In this background, do you think small (even large) devaluation of dollar will have impact as you claim? Even you assert that it will be hard to employ an American who makes $50,000 as opposed to an Asian Indian who makes $7,000 in IT industry. And now, with the simple devaluation, �programmer, Web designer, tech support worker, assembly line worker, customer service rep, software engineer� will come back to the US? Man, that has got to be a major, all-time astronomical devaluation!!!! |
Well, what do you suggest as an alternative? Because if two guys want to mow your lawn, and one wants $50 an hour, and the other wants $7 an hour, who're you going to hire? Basic capitalism here.
Maybe the guy charging $50 can lower his price to $7 an hour, as well.
Or maybe he can lower his price to $20 an hour and offer all sorts of special service and efficiency. But as long as he's charging $50 an hour for mowing lawns, nobody is going to want to hire him.
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For further reading, here is the quote from http://reason.com/archives/2010/10/26/china-bashing-is-for-losers
�Think about the IPod, for instance. It is designed in America and its 451 parts are made in dozens of different countries. But just because it is finally assembled in China, it officially counts as a Chinese import and therefore a contributor to America�s trade deficit�never mind that the Chinese add only $4 to the IPod�s $150 final value. Imposing duties on IPods to slash the deficit, then, won�t just cost Chinese jobs in Beijing assembly plants, but American jobs in Cupertino (Apple�s headquarters) computer labs. |
I never said anything about imposing duties. I just want my country to adjust its currency to reasonable levels so that we don't have to outsource every job worth doing. |
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