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Hatcher
Joined: 05 Jan 2007
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 4:39 pm Post subject: Working with an alcoholic |
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My co-worker is an alcoholic but he denies it. He goes out several nights a week and comes in the next day with little recognition of what happened.
He usually gets into some type of trouble. When we suggest that drinking maybe be a problem, he goes nuts. He comes up with the craziest excuses as to why something happened. He sometimes gets violent and, of course, blames the other person. He blames everything and everyone except for soju.
He is extremely defensive and any discussion of alcohol is a rough one.
Any thoughts? |
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nukeday
Joined: 13 May 2010
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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is it really your problem? If he's performing his job well...then just keep the relationship professional and let him do his destructive thing. If he isn't, then it's management's problem. |
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Kaypea
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, nobody can really convince somebody he has a problem with alcohol, it's something that must be realized by the drinker him/herself. It's good to let him know that you think something's not right with his drinking, because at least if he decides to examine his behaviour later, probably after getting into some kind of big trouble, at least he'll know that his drinking at this time was troubling to others.
But, you guys have already let him know what you think. When he complains about other people treating him badly while he drinks, "uh huh" and dismiss him. Also, don't drink with him, and don't cover up for him or enable his drinking. Lastly, look at your own behaviour: try not to centre too many activities around drinking. |
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Louis VI
Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: In my Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like it's the op that has a PROBLEM with the guy who drinks a lot of alcohol.
Labelling the guy is judgemental and beside the point: you don't give a flying fig about his personal situation and whether he's better off drinking less alcohol or not. Either you are an interfering moral twit or else an annoyed co-worker projecting reasons why you don't like his behaviour in the workplace. In either case, stop it. What he does on his own time is his own business and anyone who isn't his family or close friend ought to shut their trap about it. |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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He is extremely defensive and any discussion of alcohol is a rough one. |
So don't discuss it with him......unless he's really disturbing your life.
Lots of people abuse alcohol in many different ways............as long as they aren't upsetting those around them then they don't really need an Oprah to come along and do some kind of smug, self-righteous intervention on them. |
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grant_steves
Joined: 26 Oct 2010
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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nukeday wrote: |
is it really your problem? |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: On the road to somewhere.
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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I've worked with alcoholics, had one work for me, and had an alcoholic neighbor (probably the kindest man I'll ever meet). All these guys were employed and 'functioning alcoholics' (not the stereotypical homeless bum people see on the streets).
OP> You'll know when your co-worker is really an alcoholic because it will affect you. It will be your business, because they won't be able to do their job, and their work/personal relationship problems (from drinking) will negatively impact on you.
So if your co-worker is a functioning alcoholic - you might feel you need to have a word to him about his 'excessive' drinking. However, he would be within his rights to tell you to ...............................
In contrast, if his drinking is causing problems and he isn't 'functioning' (at work/socially), then I'd be telling him that I won't be covering his butt (for anything, in any circumstances).
Know this, alcoholics are addicts. They lie, can steal, and once their addiction gets out of hand, their work performance and personal relationships cause problems for those around them.
Good luck. |
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rusty1983
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: Working with an alcoholic |
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Hatcher wrote: |
My co-worker is an alcoholic but he denies it. He goes out several nights a week and comes in the next day with little recognition of what happened.
He usually gets into some type of trouble. When we suggest that drinking maybe be a problem, he goes nuts. He comes up with the craziest excuses as to why something happened. He sometimes gets violent and, of course, blames the other person. He blames everything and everyone except for soju.
He is extremely defensive and any discussion of alcohol is a rough one.
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Do you work with me??!?!?!
Seriously, it sounds like me and at least 4 other people I work with (except the violence, my only aggressive behaviour is towards taxi drivers). The people above make a point. Does it effect you? Does it effect his performance?
If not then it's his problem, nothing obliges you to deal with it. If you go out together and he causes these problems, stop going out with him. If you cant avoid this, go out with him and make a point of walking away when he gets drunk.
Unless it's someone close to me, I cant stand people confronting me about my drunken behaviour. It's embarrassing isnt it? A bit like a psychological illness, you dont want everyone going on about it, however much youre trying to help.
He would never admit it but consistently losing control in that way is deeply shameful and he probably needs to learn the hard way that he wont get away with it forever. |
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Epik_Teacher
Joined: 28 Apr 2010
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: Working with an alcoholic |
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Hatcher wrote: |
My co-worker is an alcoholic but he denies it. He goes out several nights a week.......... |
Sounds just like most of the Korean men I've ever met! |
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Kaypea
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: Working with an alcoholic |
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Epik_Teacher wrote: |
Hatcher wrote: |
My co-worker is an alcoholic but he denies it. He goes out several nights a week.......... |
Sounds just like most of the Korean men I've ever met! |
And a lot of foreign "teachers" as well! |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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At least with alkies, they're willing to buy you a beer or two. You should hang with this guy some time, and loosen up. Sounds like you need it.. |
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Globutron
Joined: 13 Feb 2010 Location: England/Anyang
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Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:03 am Post subject: |
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I bet this is one of those 6th sense scenarios where it turns out the OP was the alcoholic all along. |
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Theme
Joined: 06 Jun 2009 Location: Cedar Rapids Iowa
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Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 6:45 am Post subject: Re: Working with an alcoholic |
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Hatcher wrote: |
My co-worker is an alcoholic but he denies it. He goes out several nights a week and comes in the next day with little recognition of what happened.
He usually gets into some type of trouble. When we suggest that drinking maybe be a problem, he goes nuts. He comes up with the craziest excuses as to why something happened. He sometimes gets violent and, of course, blames the other person. He blames everything and everyone except for soju.
He is extremely defensive and any discussion of alcohol is a rough one.
Any thoughts? |
What I did not read in your post, OP is that he smelled like alcohol and that it affected his work.
If this is not a flame, I would simply suggest not talking about this topic at work.
Reminds me of a woman I met in Andong Korea in 1995. She was working at Andong University but quit after four or five months. I guess she could afford to since she was making twice what I was making at ECC and did not have a spouse or child to support.
This story is germane to this thread because I met her again in Seoul the next year (and in Taiwan a few years after that where I worked with her in a camp) but she did not remember me at party in Andong in the teachers apartment on campus. When I told her and I had met her at that party which she acknowledged took place she said " I don't drink," whereas another guy nearby said, " perhaps you should start," jokingly implying of course that I remembered her although drinking that night while she did not! |
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redaxe
Joined: 01 Dec 2008
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Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 9:26 am Post subject: |
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For an addict, the drug is his best friend, and more important than any of the people in his life. You just have to let those people hit rock bottom, they won't listen to anyone or learn any other way. |
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Sector7G
Joined: 24 May 2008
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Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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redaxe wrote: |
For an addict, the drug is his best friend, and more important than any of the people in his life. You just have to let those people hit rock bottom, they won't listen to anyone or learn any other way. |
I wish that were always true, redaxe. Sometimes they hit rock bottom and stay there. I have a family member who was a registered nurse but got hooked on painkillers about 15 years ago. Her life has been a shambles ever since, including loss of her family and her profession. |
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