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dmccuaig



Joined: 03 Nov 2010
Location: Los Angeles

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:29 pm    Post subject: A "runner" wanting to come back to Korea needs adv Reply with quote

Hi all,

My name is Don. I was in Korea for three months, August to October, teaching at Wonderland in Eunpyeong. I loved teaching and I loved the kids but manager and I didnt' get a long. It was a problematic school, 11 people quit or got fired in 9 months. The apartments were horrible. No one was there over a year.

Anyway, I would have stayed but I couldn't stand working with my manager so I left without sufficient notice. Now, I know the rules have changed with regard to requirements for new visa applications.

My question is, will I be able to get a new visa again in Korea? Some recruiters are working with me, but I am looking for another runner who got another visa successfully. My manager threatened something about blacklisting me with immigration, but I think she was lying. Can my previous employer prevent me from getting a new visa? I hear different responses.

I need to get back to work and I miss my friends in Korea, so please help with any advice!

Thanks,

Don
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balzor



Joined: 14 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 3:50 pm    Post subject: Re: A "runner" wanting to come back to Korea needs Reply with quote

dmccuaig wrote:
Hi all,

My name is Don. I was in Korea for three months, August to October, teaching at Wonderland in Eunpyeong. I loved teaching and I loved the kids but manager and I didnt' get a long. It was a problematic school, 11 people quit or got fired in 9 months. The apartments were horrible. No one was there over a year.

Anyway, I would have stayed but I couldn't stand working with my manager so I left without sufficient notice. Now, I know the rules have changed with regard to requirements for new visa applications.

My question is, will I be able to get a new visa again in Korea? Some recruiters are working with me, but I am looking for another runner who got another visa successfully. My manager threatened something about blacklisting me with immigration, but I think she was lying. Can my previous employer prevent me from getting a new visa? I hear different responses.

I need to get back to work and I miss my friends in Korea, so please help with any advice!

Thanks,

Don
This would be better in the Job-related forum
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 3:53 pm    Post subject: Re: A "runner" wanting to come back to Korea needs Reply with quote

dmccuaig wrote:
Hi all,

My name is Don. I was in Korea for three months, August to October, teaching at Wonderland in Eunpyeong. I loved teaching and I loved the kids but manager and I didnt' get a long. It was a problematic school, 11 people quit or got fired in 9 months. The apartments were horrible. No one was there over a year.

Anyway, I would have stayed but I couldn't stand working with my manager so I left without sufficient notice. Now, I know the rules have changed with regard to requirements for new visa applications.

My question is, will I be able to get a new visa again in Korea? Some recruiters are working with me, but I am looking for another runner who got another visa successfully. My manager threatened something about blacklisting me with immigration, but I think she was lying. Can my previous employer prevent me from getting a new visa? I hear different responses.

I need to get back to work and I miss my friends in Korea, so please help with any advice!

Thanks,

Don


You are from America so your visa was probably multi-entry and good for a year.

This may create a minor problem in that you MUST ensure that your visa is canceled when you leave the country (since it was multi-entry). IF you had been here long enough to get your ARC AND you handed it in on the way out then your visa should have been canceled but it is not guaranteed.

This is DIFFERENT from everyone else whose visa is automatically canceled when they depart (unless they had a re-entry permit).

With that said there are 2 possible scenarios:

1) your visa was canceled when you exited Korea. You are free to begin the process all over again (with new documents that meet the current requirements).

2) your visa was NOT canceled. This means you will have to wait until your year has expired before you can apply for a new visa.

side notes again:

IF you haven't left Korea yet you will also have immigration issues to deal with (not reporting your change of status and/or overstay issues) since you are in the country without a job or sponsorship.

Unless your previous employer filed criminal charges against you (would cause a block at immigration) they cannot blacklist you except with other
hagwan owners (via their hagwan associations).

Lots of people have pulled runners and returned to work in Korea. You are not an indentured servant and you are free to quit, leave and return (as long as you don't violate the visa rules).

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dmccuaig



Joined: 03 Nov 2010
Location: Los Angeles

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:03 pm    Post subject: to ttompatz Reply with quote

I did leave Korea right after I quit so they had no time to do anything with immigration. When I left I kept my green card with me and immigration said nothing about my visa.

So yes, I am back in the USA. You're saying I have to wait a full year? Is there a way to get around that?

Thanks so much
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PigeonFart



Joined: 27 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel for you Don. What happened to you was unfair. You (and your coworkers) were willing to work in Korea for a year, but you got landed with an unscrupulous boss. I'm not surprised you did a runner.

Maybe someone who was in the same situation as you will be able to answer your questions. Unfortunately i'm not an expert on such matters. Good luck anyway.
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Carla



Joined: 21 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:06 pm    Post subject: Re: to ttompatz Reply with quote

dmccuaig wrote:
I did leave Korea right after I quit so they had no time to do anything with immigration. When I left I kept my green card with me and immigration said nothing about my visa.

So yes, I am back in the USA. You're saying I have to wait a full year? Is there a way to get around that?

Thanks so much


I'm pretty sure that there is (was?) a fine for not turning in your ARC when you leave the country. I don't know too much about it. Maybe someone else does.
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nathanrutledge



Joined: 01 May 2008
Location: Marakesh

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:27 pm    Post subject: Re: to ttompatz Reply with quote

Carla wrote:
dmccuaig wrote:
I did leave Korea right after I quit so they had no time to do anything with immigration. When I left I kept my green card with me and immigration said nothing about my visa.

So yes, I am back in the USA. You're saying I have to wait a full year? Is there a way to get around that?

Thanks so much


I'm pretty sure that there is (was?) a fine for not turning in your ARC when you leave the country. I don't know too much about it. Maybe someone else does.


Yeah, see ttompatz's post above. IF you have a multiple entry visa, you can come and go as you please, so you keep your ARC card. BUT, if you don't turn it in at the end/last time you leave Korea, then they won't know if you've left the country permanently or not.

I THINK, not positive, but THINK the fine is 100k for not turning it in when you leave.
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SteveSteve



Joined: 30 Jul 2010
Location: Republic of Korea

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did the same thing a couple of years ago. Horrible hagwon job. Terrible manager who skirted the law at every single chance. On and on. I pulled a runner but I forgot to turn in my ARC at the airport. I'm American, too, so I had the same multiple entry permit.

I had to wait several months until my visa expired -- but once that happened, I was able to get a new visa without any problems. Plus, you won't have to do the E2 visa interview again. Once you have done it once, even if you quit, you're not required to do it again at the Korean Consulate.

Unfortunately, there are two things: I don't think there is a way for you to cancel your visa from America. Maybe your employers will, but there's no way of telling. If you didn't do it yet, you might have to wait 9 or so months. Sorry.

LIke others have mentioned, you will need a whole set of documents for your new E2 which includes an FBI background check, sealed transcripts, resume, apostilled college degree, contract, pictures, so forth. The FBI CRC takes about three months, but Korean Immigration won't accept if it's older than 6 months at the time of application. Sounds like you might have to wait 9 months for your current visa to expire, so I might hold off on the crime check so that it doesn't expire.

Good luck!
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SteveSteve



Joined: 30 Jul 2010
Location: Republic of Korea

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:31 pm    Post subject: Re: to ttompatz Reply with quote

Carla wrote:
dmccuaig wrote:
I did leave Korea right after I quit so they had no time to do anything with immigration. When I left I kept my green card with me and immigration said nothing about my visa.

So yes, I am back in the USA. You're saying I have to wait a full year? Is there a way to get around that?

Thanks so much


I'm pretty sure that there is (was?) a fine for not turning in your ARC when you leave the country. I don't know too much about it. Maybe someone else does.


I didn't and there was no fine for me. It might depend on the immigration officer though, so who knows for sure.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:53 pm    Post subject: Re: to ttompatz Reply with quote

dmccuaig wrote:
I did leave Korea right after I quit so they had no time to do anything with immigration. When I left I kept my green card with me and immigration said nothing about my visa.

So yes, I am back in the USA. You're saying I have to wait a full year? Is there a way to get around that?

Thanks so much


Since you had a multi-entry visa and did not cancel by turning in your ARC you are pretty much screwed until it expires.

You can't get a new visa with the old one not canceled (immigration won't issue a new visa confirmation number till the old visa expires).

You can't cancel it from abroad and it is unlikely that your old boss will do anything about getting it canceled on your behalf (since you pulled a runner on him).

Try China while you are waiting.

Oh, and there will be no fine for not turning in your ARC since you had a valid re-entry when you departed. You just can't work until it expires.

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sierradharma



Joined: 04 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 4:53 pm    Post subject: nice Reply with quote

to good health

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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:20 pm    Post subject: Re: new job in same province as a job I left a few years ago Reply with quote

sierradharma wrote:
I have accepted a uni position in the same province as a public school job I left early almost three years ago. I am concerned when I submit my paperwork for a new visa if there will be complications.

For example, the new visa application will be processed in a different immigration office but in the same province. There are so many rumours out there are former employees being able to flag you or report you to immigration.

I left my job over vacation; however, there may have been an electric or internet bill that was not paid. Since it was three years ago, I would like to hear from anyone who quit a job or did a runner and was able to come back to Korea and get a visa from their home country with no problem.

I am getting my paperwork together now and hoping there are no problems. To my knowledge, my visa was not cancelled or revoked, but it has also been over two years.

Do immigration offices look at your old records when they see an old visa in your passport, or do they simply grant you a new visa if all your paperwork is good and correct.

Thanks.


the old visa has long since expired. It (and the runner) are non-issues for immigration.

Quitting (and pulling a runner) is not illegal, won't get you fined, jailed, detained or anything else by immigration).

AS long as you do not have a visa issue (current visa in effect (uncanceled or unexpired), outstanding visa issuance number (not yet expired), there won't be any problem with immigration.

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sierradharma



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:00 pm    Post subject: Curious Reply with quote

Thanks

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bbud656



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it really depends on the people you deal with at immigration. I quit a job and didn't get a letter of release and didn't even know if my visa was canceled or not. When I brought my documents to the consulate for my new visa back in the states the woman looked at the stamp in my passport and said there was a problem. I just told her that it was "OK" and she stamped it as canceled. Maybe the force is strong in me though. She put a big posted note in my passport and the guy doing the interview never bothered to look at it. Maybe im lucky, but you could try to get another job and give it a shot.
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sierradharma



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:19 pm    Post subject: Help Reply with quote

Curious

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