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Giving notice: "Nice guys never win."
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Do teachers who give notice before finishing win?
Never
9%
 9%  [ 4 ]
Rarely
40%
 40%  [ 17 ]
Sometimes
30%
 30%  [ 13 ]
Often
11%
 11%  [ 5 ]
Always
7%
 7%  [ 3 ]
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humanuspneumos



Joined: 08 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 6:30 pm    Post subject: Gord Reply with quote

Gord: considerable power Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

I doubt you use washroom after-spray or matches because you consider what ever it is you're putting-out not to smell.

It's a shameful thing to try to get other races to feel bad where nobody was aiming to bring racism into it. That's an insult to other's intelligence to think you could make a "racism" issue to hide behind. And anyway- why are you assuming any race in particular is behind the term "masser?" Is "howdy" bad too Gord??? Or "How" or "Teachee?"

Anyway- Time out- I'm still laughing at "considerable power." Laughing Laughing

I'd hate to see what you define as powerless- is that the night Chicago died?
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Homer
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HP,

The quotes you use from other users only make your stand weaker.

All of them discuss an analogy to slavery while you defend it as a fact.

Even as an analogy, as has been stated ad nauseum on here, teachers cannot be compared to slaves as they share none of the basic characteristics of slaves. Yet you refuse to even aknowledge this in your crusade to free the oppresse English Teacher.

On the other hand, UM, myself and Gord has given you clear and concrete examples of what differenciates English teachers from slaves and you just ignored it because afterall it invalidates your little pet theory.

Maybe you had a bad experience(s). But the simple fact that after so many jobs (you listed quite a few) you are still here and employed and not chained in some camp pretty much means you are not a slave.

According to your little theory the people of Flynt, Michigan were slaves too as well over 80% of the towns pop. worked at GM before it shut down.
They could not change jobs because there were no other jobs and GM was he main employer. Heck they were slaves!

Now, lets move on to people working with exclusive contracts back home..hey they can't freely do business with other because of that oppressive exclusivity contract...oh my they are slaves!
We are all slaves!!!!

Finally what about people on student visas that go to our western countries? By law they are prevented from working.
Oh no are they slaves too HP?

In the end HP, you ignore facts and replace them with your fiction or with extreme examples that you apply as generalities.
You also ignore the basic conditions that differenciate teachers from slaves.
To make sure you completely destroy any credibility your point may have had you also forget to mention that teachers here have considerable choice and some ressources at their disposal if they get cheated (not enslaved...I repeat not enslaved).

You are like the religious zealot who screams on his soap box every day. He forgets to look at reality and preaches his extreme opinions until he is blue in the face.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent points Homer. Not to mention that he keeps avoiding the question. If this is "slavery" why is he here? He should go back to the West and find a good job that is not "slavery", since this "slavery" here so offends him. Smells very strongly of hypocrisy here now.
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only truly free man would be: unemployed, unnattached, living on wild berries and dew, with an international passport and no need for money or sex.

"you're gonna have to serve somebody"....
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humanuspneumos



Joined: 08 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 12:30 pm    Post subject: The Bee Man Reply with quote

In the end HP, you ignore facts and replace them with your fiction or with extreme examples that you apply as generalities.
You also ignore the basic conditions that differenciate teachers from slaves.
To make sure you completely destroy any credibility your point may have had you also forget to mention that teachers here have considerable choice and some ressources at their disposal if they get cheated (not enslaved...I repeat not enslaved).

You are like the religious zealot who screams on his soap box every day. He forgets to look at reality and preaches his extreme opinions until he is blue in the face.



A day at the office as a bee man: The bee man enters the yard, covers his body and face so as not to get stung and then blows smoke at all the little bees. Lifts the lid and pulls out the honey-combs.

There have been bee-men blowing smoke on dave's ever since 1996. I'm never sure why people who have legitimate complaints/beefs bother the bee men so much. But they come day in and day out like it's a 9-5 job of theirs to blow smoke in all the little TESLer's faces to get them to calm down. Nobody gave them this roll. They just took it upon themselves to do so. The names change but the basic tenor doesn't. I suppose- the bee men feel they couldn't live with themselves if the question were asked:

Why do you work in a place where so many say- "The working conditions are comparable to slavery." Rather than the bee men facing the facts they'd rather just blow smoke again and again to cover, distort, and bend the facts to fit something they can be proud to call their own.

I've opened the barn door to allow you guys a way out for your 0 %-ism stance on "Nothing that looks like slavery here to me paw. Let's git in the truck and go kick some real __ss." I've even provided you with an example of how you would likely say- "No war here paw- that soldier over there is etin a chocolate bar." And- the question- "Why here?" has been asked so many times at Dave's with people like yourselves pushing down legitimate complaints/problems with simplistic/fairytale solutions and then resorting to the "Why here?" question- Yeeeeawwwwn.

Unions have had their share of people like yourselves- hired hands in the case of unions- to come in to "calm the people." Thankfully- there are still "whiners" in the world who have people down to 40 hour work weeks, dental, medical, Sat. & Sun. off and a list of other benefits- all thanks to "whiners" who worked to make things better. People like yourselves keep conditions primitive, abusive, and slave-like because you pride-yourselves in seeing things as they "really are." I can't think of one instance where bee-men brought about any good change in the world- not one.
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Gord



Joined: 25 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 2:45 pm    Post subject: Re: The Bee Man Reply with quote

humanuspneumos wrote:
Why do you work in a place where so many say- "The working conditions are comparable to slavery." Rather than the bee men facing the facts they'd rather just blow smoke again and again to cover, distort, and bend the facts to fit something they can be proud to call their own.


So what you are saying is that after failing to use facts and reason to back up your claims coupled with having those same claims trumped by facts and reason by others, you have decided to simply insult us.

Rock on.
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Homer
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done HP...you are a master at sinking yourself and shooting yourself in the foot.

Thanks for the entertainement. Laughing
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 3:26 am    Post subject: Re: The Bee Man Reply with quote

humanuspneumos wrote:
[b]Why do you work in a place where so many say- "The working conditions are comparable to slavery." .



So many? You and Mr. Rapier? Two or even three do not make up "so many" Remember there are THOUSANDS of English teachers working here, and less than a handful have come out and stated this is slavery.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2005 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, memories.
Giving notice: "Nice guys never win."

tokki wrote,
If I ever get into a situation where Im being screwed over by a boss, I'd just walk. The E2 is a slave's visa.

E-2 Visa


http://www.antislavery.org
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