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mises

Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired

Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:41 am Post subject:

Junior, get your nose out of the Old Testament. You are a Christian. Learn about Christianity. This Christian Zionism is a bloody embarrassment. Read about the Scofield Bible and who paid for it. Jesus would spit on these Christian Zionist warmongers.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/26/world/middleeast/26diplo.html?_r=2&=&%2359;hp=&pagewanted=print

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G.O.P. and Tea Party Gains Are Mixed Blessing for Israel
By MARK LANDLER and JENNIFER STEINHAUER

Landler and Steinhaur are, I'm sure, unbiased in their reporting.

On to a good Christian:

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Scores of Tea Party-backed candidates are entering Congress, many of whom favor isolationist policies and are determined to cut American foreign aid, regardless of its destination. Rand Paul, the newly elected Tea Party-backed senator from Kentucky, bluntly told the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee, an influential pro-Israel lobbying group, that they were going to disagree about the need for foreign aid and suggested that they move on to other topics, according to a person briefed on the meeting.

And the lobby:

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�One of the first things Congressman Cantor can do is to make sure that his colleagues vote for aid to Israel,� said Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York, who also met with Mr. Netanyahu.

Mr. Schumer and others worry that support for Israel in Congress, long a bipartisan article of faith, could become politicized in a way that will end up harming Israel�s interests. In the recent election, the administration�s Middle East policy became a partisan issue, seized on by several Republicans who pointed out that President Obama had tended to take a tougher line against Israel.

Should Schumer not care first about American interests? Why do some lose their minds in rage when dual-loyalty is pointed out?

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Allen West, a black Republican, focused on it with great success in a heavily Jewish coastal district of Florida. Representative John A. Boehner, the Ohio Republican who is the House speaker-designate, sent out fund-raising literature aimed at Jewish voters, criticizing the administration for its pressuring of Israel on issues like settlements.

West should have a sit-down with Farrakhan and ask what's up.

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And they can club the White House in the court of public opinion, as they did last April when nearly two-thirds of the members of Congress signed letters to Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton urging the administration to defuse tensions with Israel over settlement construction.

Flashback:

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/050704fa_fact

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"...aipac�s leaders can be immoderately frank about the group�s influence. At dinner that night with Steven Rosen, I mentioned a controversy that had enveloped aipac in 1992. David Steiner, a New Jersey real-estate developer who was then serving as aipac�s president, was caught on tape boasting that he had �cut a deal� with the Administration of George H. W. Bush to provide more aid to Israel. Steiner also said that he was �negotiating� with the incoming Clinton Administration over the appointment of a pro-Israel Secretary of State. �We have a dozen people in his��Clinton�s��headquarters . . . and they are all going to get big jobs,� Steiner said. Soon after the tape�s existence was disclosed, Steiner resigned his post. I asked Rosen if aipac suffered a loss of influence after the Steiner affair. A half smile appeared on his face, and he pushed a napkin across the table. �You see this napkin?� he said. �In twenty-four hours, we could have the signatures of seventy senators on this napkin.�..."

Back to the NYT:

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While the White House did not back down from its demands, Mrs. Clinton subsequently gave two conciliatory speeches to Jewish groups, reaffirming the American commitment to Israel�s security.

The Clinton's are vile.

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�The administration has to take into account that Israel now has a friendlier forum,� said Abraham H. Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish advocacy organization. �It will therefore think carefully about doing things.�

Foxman is saying that they are the most powerful and Americans must suck up being dominated. Americans must kill and die for Israel. No amount of American blood and bounty is too much. No number of dead Persians and Arabs is too large. The Jews were given Israel by god. They are chosen. I'm utterly disgusted by this.

mises

Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired

Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:59 am Post subject:

Lest we forget:

http://www.ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=23083

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WASHINGTON, Mar 29 (IPS) - IPS uncovered the remarks by Philip Zelikow, who is now the executive director of the body set up to investigate the terrorist attacks on the United States in September 2001 - the 9/11 commission - in which he suggests a prime motive for the invasion just over one year ago was to eliminate a threat to Israel, a staunch U.S. ally in the Middle East.

Oxford Uni and Johns Hopkins have studied the deaths from the Iraq war. They both come to a 1,000,000+ number. 1 million precious human lives lost for Israel.

The influence of the Israeli lobby is not a topic solely for antisemites or connected academics. This is serious stuff. The United States has killed or caused the death of 1million people in Iraq, for Israel.

We will suffer from this. The target is on our backs. It is American money and blood. The whole world thinks Americans are bloodthirsty war mongers.

mises

Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired

Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:11 am Post subject:

Junior wrote:

recessiontime wrote:

The CIA has said on numerous occasions that Muslim extremists attacked on 9/11 due to American ME foreign policy.

You'll still be an infidel wether you support Israel or not.

So what. That is entirely an immigration issue. Iran is not trying to colonize the West. Here's a quote:

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Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world � only to serve the People of Israel. Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plough, they will reap. We will sit like an Effendi and eat. That is why gentiles were created!

Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, head of Shas Council of Torah Sages, during a sermon delivered Oct. 2010 in Jerusalem

http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Article.aspx?id=191782

Here's a photo of the humble Rabbi:

http://mondoweiss.net/images/2010/11/shas.jpg

"A Jew may rob a goy - that is,.he may cheat him in a bill, if unlikely to be perceived by him." - Schalchan Arach, Choszen Hamiszpat 348

"It is permitted for a Jew to deceive Christians" - Babha Kama (113b)

"Jew may lie and perjure himself to condemn a Christian" - Babha Kama (113a)

"Jews must always try to deceive Christians" - Zohar (1, 160a)

Or this:

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm/why-are-jews-liberals-a-symposium-15223?page=all

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"For most American Jews, the core of their Jewish identity isn�t solidarity with Israel; it�s rejection of Christianity. � Jewish voters don�t embrace candidates based on their support for the state of Israel as much as they passionately oppose candidates based on their identification with Christianity � This political pattern reflects the fact that opposition to Christianity�not love for Judaism, Jews, or Israel�remains the sole unifying element in an increasingly fractious and secularized community. �"

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"What is the one political or religious position that makes a Jew utterly unwelcome in the organized community [e.g., in synagogues]? We accept atheist Jews, Buddhist Jews, pro-Palestinian Jews, Communist Jews, homosexual Jews, and even sanction Hindu-Jewish meditation societies. �Jews for Jesus�, however, or 'Messianic Jews' face resistance and exclusion everywhere."'

Your Christian texts are also full of fun little tidbits like the above too. These desert religions will be the death of our species.

Yeah, I don't much like islam either Junior. But you're not exactly being reasonable in demanding that we support Israel.

Hey, as you said:

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You'll still be an infidel wether you support Israel or not.

Yeah, that's true. You'll still be a goy if you support Israel or not, too.

Junior

Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:47 am Post subject:

mises wrote:

Hey, as you said:

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You'll still be an infidel wether you support Israel or not.

Yeah, that's true. You'll still be a goy if you support Israel or not, too.

You're trying to misrepresent an entire country as racist.
But in reality Israel is entirely tolerant and hospitable to non-jews. It even provides all manner of benefits to its own muslim citizens.

The point is this: Islam has always openly espoused its goal of world territorial domination. Over the past millenium it has swallowed half the globe, piece by piece, by violence, deception, force and subversion. No country, once fallen under the shadow of this backward 6th century religion, has ever re-emerged into freedom.

We have to hold the line. Not sacrifice our allies in the vain hope of pacifying the Islamists. Giving up israel will not result in peace: don't be fooled.

According to muslims.. the only possible peace is when the entire world has agreed to become one of them. Rolling Eyes

recessiontime

Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha

Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:52 am Post subject:

I'm pretty sure none of that logic will get to the goy. Goys generally decide what is right and wrong with their gut (or limbic area of the brain where decisions are made, not the cortex).

mises

Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired

Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:50 am Post subject:

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The point is this: Islam has always openly espoused its goal of world territorial domination. Over the past millenium it has swallowed half the globe, piece by piece, by violence, deception, force and subversion.

Which state has Iran invaded? Which nation does Egypt occupy? What are you talking about?

The growth of muslims in Europe will be stopped and reversed. It was a nice fairytale while it lasted. Iran has absolutely nothing - nada zilch zero - to do with muslims immigrating to the West.

Hey, and how about this. Maybe if we weren't hell bent on destroying their societies they wouldn't need to migrate to Europe, eh?

Koveras

Joined: 09 Oct 2008

Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 1:16 pm Post subject:

mises wrote:

Christians should be anti-Jewish anyway, for both historical and theological reasons. And nearly always were, until the 20th century. Now every Christian institution has been more or less Judaized - even Rome. Look into the reforms made in the Second Vatican Council.

What's important is to recognize and oppose the 'spiritual' tendency towards materialism, racial/ethnic particularism, and legalism that is represented by the Pharisees and their spiritual successors (as diagnosed by Schopenhauer, Shakespeare, and others). This tendency is obviously not restricted to Jews, nor does every Jew embody it. Christ was the antithesis of Pharisaic Judaism.

Reggie

Joined: 21 Sep 2009

Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 2:00 pm Post subject:

Junior wrote:

mises wrote:

Hey, as you said:

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You'll still be an infidel wether you support Israel or not.

Yeah, that's true. You'll still be a goy if you support Israel or not, too.

You're trying to misrepresent an entire country as racist.
But in reality Israel is entirely tolerant and hospitable to non-jews.

That's not true. I know Arab Christians from Nazareth who fled to Tennessee to get away from persecution they received from Israeli Jews. Tennessee is probably the least tolerant place in the entire USA, but these Arab Christians left their homeland and consider Tennessee a major improvement. They went and visited some relatives in the '90s and said they'll never go back because the Israeli Jews are just too hostile. They feel safer here with the KKK breathing down their necks. Laughing

Here are some videos of Israelis with Western visitors:

This clip is from the documentary "Where in the World is Osama bin Laden." This guy went to places such as Morocco, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and so on and was treated with warm hospitality, even in Afghanistan. In the clip where he went to Israel, this is how he was treated: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9nb8k5eIaA

Here's a different clip of some Israelis welcoming foreigners: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlT3ARuUSGc

Reggie

Joined: 21 Sep 2009

Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 2:12 pm Post subject:

Here's hoping Jesus & G_d will pay our national debt.

Koveras

Joined: 09 Oct 2008

Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 2:19 pm Post subject:

Reggie wrote:

Here's hoping Jesus & G_d will pay our national debt. Rolling Eyes

If the West had remained truly Christian it wouldn't be in any debt. So not only is your anti-Christian commentary gratuitous, it's also plain ignorant.

Reggie

Joined: 21 Sep 2009

Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:06 pm Post subject:

Koveras wrote:

Reggie wrote:

Here's hoping Jesus & G_d will pay our national debt. Rolling Eyes

If the West had remained truly Christian it wouldn't be in any debt. So not only is your anti-Christian commentary gratuitous, it's also plain ignorant.

Yeah right. Go to the USA and tell church people the USA shouldn't go further into debt in order to give money to Israel. You'll hear Genesis 12:3 so many times, you'll get tired of hearing it. I don't know what their plan to repay our national debt is, but since it's no longer humanly possible, one can only assume they're counting on a miracle from a higher power. Laughing

Nowhere Man

Joined: 08 Feb 2004

Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:59 pm Post subject: ...

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The growth of muslims in Europe will be stopped and reversed.

What?

Not that I disagree with you, but this is a rather abrupt departure from your stump speech, no?

northway

Joined: 05 Jul 2010

Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 7:11 pm Post subject:

Reggie wrote:

Koveras wrote:

Reggie wrote:

Here's hoping Jesus & G_d will pay our national debt. Rolling Eyes

If the West had remained truly Christian it wouldn't be in any debt. So not only is your anti-Christian commentary gratuitous, it's also plain ignorant.

I would assume that 90% of those people would get slackjawed at the term usury.

recessiontime

Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha

Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:46 pm Post subject:

Koveras wrote:

Reggie wrote:

Here's hoping Jesus & G_d will pay our national debt. Rolling Eyes

If the West had remained truly Christian it wouldn't be in any debt. So not only is your anti-Christian commentary gratuitous, it's also plain ignorant.

yeah and maybe if America didn't have any homosexuals, there would be no typhoons either right?

In your crazy world where superstition rules, you can pretty much scapegoat anything for the ills of society. I find it particularly amusing that time and time again you try to pass yourself as a intellectual on this forum.

Reggie wrote:

Koveras wrote:

Reggie wrote:

Here's hoping Jesus & G_d will pay our national debt. Rolling Eyes

If the West had remained truly Christian it wouldn't be in any debt. So not only is your anti-Christian commentary gratuitous, it's also plain ignorant.

it's actually possible to pay it off with massive inflation or they can simply default. Both are bad but doable.

northway

Joined: 05 Jul 2010

Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:04 pm Post subject:

recessiontime wrote:

Koveras wrote:

Reggie wrote:

Here's hoping Jesus & G_d will pay our national debt. Rolling Eyes

If the West had remained truly Christian it wouldn't be in any debt. So not only is your anti-Christian commentary gratuitous, it's also plain ignorant.

yeah and maybe if America didn't have any homosexuals, there would be no typhoons either right?

Maybe I'm being too rational but I read that as a reference to usury. Traditional Christianity didn't allow for interest on loans (thus why Jews became Europe's bankers).

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