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lowpo



Joined: 01 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:46 pm    Post subject: Fishee and Englishee Reply with quote

Why do we still let the kids say Fishee, Englishee, and Orangee in the classrooms?
It took me half my class last night to correct some 6th graders from different elementary schools during my night class at my middle school. They kept wanting to say "Fishee, Englishee, and Orangee".
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AsiaESLbound



Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri

PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can correct them and get them to repeat fairly correctly, but they will always start doing it again within 5 minutes. It's something to do with Korean phonics where a vowel has to follow consonants to complete a syllable.

Emart-uh
Finish-ee

Well, you get it.
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Catfisher



Joined: 10 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AsiaESLbound wrote:
You can correct them and get them to repeat fairly correctly, but they will always start doing it again within 5 minutes. It's something to do with Korean phonics where a vowel has to follow consonants to complete a syllable.

Emart-uh
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Well, you get it.


I also think that they think that by "Koreanizing" the phonetic nature of the English, they're taking the piss with the foreign teacher.
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Poker



Joined: 16 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AsiaESLbound wrote:
You can correct them and get them to repeat fairly correctly, but they will always start doing it again within 5 minutes. It's something to do with Korean phonics where a vowel has to follow consonants to complete a syllable.

Emart-uh
Finish-ee

Well, you get it.


Yeah its got to do with Korean phonics, they transfer that when they speak English. If you learn Korean you will understand why they do it. Same for us. We will use some English language processes when we try to speak Korean.

Not that I'm saying we shouldn't teach them to cut that out.


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lowpo



Joined: 01 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AsiaESLbound wrote:
You can correct them and get them to repeat fairly correctly, but they will always start doing it again within 5 minutes. It's something to do with Korean phonics where a vowel has to follow consonants to complete a syllable.

Emart-uh
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Well, you get it.


I will work with them again tonight.
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Geumchondave



Joined: 28 Oct 2010

PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When teaching in Europe I used to spend a long time on pronunciation - getting the French to say their H's was a particularly grueling one - out here I guess there are so many more urgent fires to be putting out and mostly new teachers so the emphasis goes elsewhere.

I always correct it occasionally do some very quick drill but I try and spend most of the lesson elsewhere - its just a matter of what is going to be more beneficial long term out of that one hour you have with the student - I personally dont think a large class being drilled every week will have a huge long term benefit - I would only bother if i was seeing a class far more often and could actually fix it and move on
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JBomb



Joined: 16 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used the classic cartoon of Ernie going here fishy fishy fishy to help teach mine the difference.
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ticktocktocktick



Joined: 31 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a little something that I've found works well:

Write the word on the board, and then add the Korean character for E (이) or uh (으) at the end, so it looks like this:

Orange이

Bus으

Then make a song and dance about crossing out the 이 or 으 - if the kids are young enough, let them come up and cross out the character in amusing ways. It takes a few classes, but it will stick.
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