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Koveras
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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| Obviously I cannot be an "anti-Semite": as Fox, Mises, Junior, Recessiontime, or Sergio could testify, I've been thinking of moving to Saudi Arabia and converting to Islam. |
You can try to redefine the word but that's a pretty lame effort. |
I have no feelings one way or another about the Semitic race, regardless of whether or not it properly includes Jews. If you want to call me a name, call me anti-Jewish. Excuse me, I'm going to move on now. |
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Koveras
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:25 am Post subject: |
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| First of all, it's worth noting I quickly deleted that post because, to be honest, I'm a bit tired of trying to defend my people from the accusation that we're essentially social evil incarnate. |
I don't think that. It's possible for one to point out vast Jewish influence, point out it's fruits, and even dislike the Jews for their general character, without making them scapegoats or depriving Gentiles of their own proper agency. In the Police State thread, I was not equating the rider with Jews or the horse with Gentiles, although I can see how the misunderstanding arose. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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They blew up their companies and were bailed out by the state. If they are super duper intelligent this is a feature, if not, it is a bug. |
Including non-Jews as well.
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They're pushing an agenda. The age old Jewish hatred of everything European oozes from the media. The elite in the US despise the white, Christian majority. |
Glad your true colors are showing.
Anyway the problem with your theory is that the neo-cons (biggest pro-Israel ideologs in Amercia) are largely white evengelical christians. Yet they are supposed to be "controlled by Jews". Looks like this has more to do with Liberal vs Conservative in the US.
Also, since Europe and Canada are far more liberal and secular than the US I guess this means that the Jews have far more control in these countries?
Incompetence too, as Americans increasingly distrust and are turning
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By the by, it was Rubin, Summers and Andrei Shleifer who privatized Russia's economy into the hands of 7 people, 6 of whom just so happen to be Jewish. Putin has been reversing this. He may be the last great European leader. |
Please cite me where Putin has mentioned anything about this "Jewish Plot".
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| prior to the Jewish-Bolshevik slaughter of Poles and Ukrainians, the primary source of hatred. |
Majority of Bolsheviks were non-Jews.
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TheVictory of Judaism over Germanism
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Viewed from a Nonreligious Point of View by Wilhelm Marr
The more things change, eh. |
Opinion from a Social Darwinist and believe in Eugenics.
As for Germany Jews were not all on the same side. You had Jews who fought for Germany in the First World War (countering the stab in the back myth), you had Jews who were anti-war, Jews who were part of the far left, and Jews who are primarily Zionists.
Looks like pluralism to me. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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To keep post size down, if it's all right I'll just address your key points instead of quoting mises. If you feel I misrepresent or miss an important point, feel free to correct me.
Regarding Intelligent Bankers "Blowing up the System:" as I said, just like other people in private industry, they're clearly in it for the profit. The current system allows for banks to take ludicrious risks, profit if the risks pay off, and get a bailout if the risks don't. Of course intelligent, competent people will take advantage of that.
Regarding Americans "Increasing Distrusting the Media:" I have an alternative proposition for you: Americans in general simply don't care about the media, and never really did. If Americans paid greater attention to the media in the past (and I'm not sure they did), it was almost assuredly due to a lack of alternative programming available. We've literally witnessed an entertainment explosion in recent times. It's no surprise to me at all that people have turned away from any media source that doesn't reaffirm their pre-existing views.
I know it's nice to believe that what people really want is a responsible, objective media that simply reports the facts, but I don't believe it. People are bored by facts; it's editorialization, slant, and validation of their pre-existing world views that most people are after when they choose to spend an hour watching the news instead of "Dancing With the Stars." It's even worse when it comes to economic news, where all people really want is tips on how they can make easy money.
If you can suggest to me a method of news preparation which would substantially increase the current news viewer base, it would be worth discussing. I don't think you can, though.
Regarding Economic Philosophy and the Discarding of Books: Yes, Jews are strongly represented in social and economic philosophy. Now, what is the lesson we should take away from this? That Jews are in on some conspiracy to destabilize your society through means of writing a few books on economics? Or that intelligent Jews, fuelled by a culture of practicality, turned their minds to economic models, came up with ideas that sound plausible on paper but if implemented end up being disasterous, and then a bunch of gentiles decided to start implementing them? I know which one I feel is the case. Communist Russia isn't Marx's fault, and our society isn't the fault of more capitalistically inclined thinkers either.
Regarding "The nationalist political-economy was finally killed during the Clinton admin, by Rubin, Summers and Greenspan:" Nevermind the hundreds of gentiles that participated, right? You know, the elected, overwhelmingly caucasian Christian politicians that actually made this happen? I'll talk about this more in a bit.
Regarding "Collectively is a Distraction:" If it is, then talking about Jews at all is a distraction. If you want to have a conversation about how you assert a tiny handful of individuals have harmed your society, then it's not hard to have it without referencing their ethnicity or faith. Every time you say the word Jew, though, you make it about Jews collectively to at least some extent. This is only exacerbated by your ethnocentric attempt to shift blame off of the Caucasian Christians who hold the actual power. Again, I'll talk about this more in a bit.
Regarding "Jewish behavior gets them into trouble:" Yes, it does. When the success of the average minority Jew is greater than that of the average majority gentile, Jews do in fact end up in trouble. Resentment is a strong social force, ethnic resentment even moreso.
Regarding the World View You're Positing: The American population is almost entirely gentile. Gentiles hold a strong majority of judgeships, at both the state and federal levels. Gentiles make up a strong majority with regards to the House of Representatives and the Senate, again, at both the state and federal levels. Gentiles have held the overwhelming majority of governorships, and if a President has ever been a Jew, it's been a tightly kept secret as far as I'm aware. In short, gentiles have a total strangehold on political power in any realistic sense of the word. Majority of voters + majority of representatives + majority of appointed judges.
None the less, it's clear you think Jews control America, not just in the sense of having commanding shares in certain industries due to having out-competed gentile competitors, but that they actually pull the strings even in the fields they don't control, especially politics. Sure, gentiles are the ones that actually get to vote in our Legislature, and a gentile President signs all the bills, but it's not their fault that they went along with guys like Greenspan. Sure, you think Jewish-owned media corporations are terrible and are brainwashing people instead of giving them the truth (which, if they were only exposed to, would cause them to cling to it and suckle as a babe at his mother's teat), and sure, nothing's really stopping gentiles from making news organizations that report nothing but objective, biasless truths, but it's not their fault if they don't. Sure, anyone with some capital can buy some equipment, writer a script, and make some movies, but it must be some sort of conspiracy that keeps Jews at the top of the entertainment industry.
It's not the gentiles' fault. Nothing is their fault. Gentiles are as helpless children before their subtle manipulative might. Most major problems in our society ultimately comes back to Jewish influence, and if the Jews were gone, things would just be better, right?
You haven't said that, and in fact, you've tried to deny that you believe it, but this is where the kind of thinking you're espousing here goes. If you're going to blame Jewish thinkers and entrepreneuers for everything, then you must also concede that for whatever reason, gentiles have insufficiently able to stand up to them; they'll be inevitably swept along in the currents of Jewish ideas, only to be fleeced by Jewish entrepreneurs. How can this issue be resolved while Jews remain present and free in your nation?
If this isn't what you believe, then what's your end game? What's your solution to the problem? How do you take the thinking you're engaging in here and not end up where I've just described? How do you protect your people without throwing out the Jews, given you clearly believe that given enough time, Jews will just talk them into screwing themselves over again? |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Foxman,
I'm currently busy with exams and I cannot write much. While I would love nothing more to utter something inflammatory and get a rise out of you, I must reluctantly refuse at this moment. In the mean time please tell your friends wherever they may be not to take over the internet as this represents the last refuge where people like me can voice my thoughts without being persecuted.
your Goyim friend,
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chellovek
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| *sigh* Bloody Jews. First they kill Christ, now this. |
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northway
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/israel-ranks-41-out-of-65-countries-in-oecd-education-survey-1.329335
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Israel ranks 41 out of 65 countries in OECD education survey
According to a 2009 survey released Tuesday by the Organization for Economic Coordination and Development (OECD), Israeli youth ranked 36 in reading and 41 in science and mathematics out of the 65 participating countries.
The Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) survey, based on the compiled results of over half a million students in more than 70 economies, tested 15-year-olds in both reading and mathematics, and also highlighted the difference between girls and boys.
Israel climbed four places since the ranking in 2008 in reading, and jumped over 16 places in the sciences, from 57 in 2008 to 41 in 2009.
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The survey noted that the strongest performance in both tests were in Korea and Finland, followed by Hong Kong, Singapore, Canada, New Zealand and Japan.
In the fields of mathematics and the sciences, there was no significant change, leaving Israel at the bottom of the middle third of ranked countries. In mathematics, the Israeli student's average score was 447, compared to the international average of 496.
The percentage of Israeli students that excel is only about half of the international figure, and the percentage of Israeli students that performed poorly was 39%, compared to an international rate of 22%.
The countries whose students scored similarly to Israel's students are Dubai, Turkey and Serbia. Between 2006 and 2009, there was an increase of only 5 points in the average mark of Israel students. The gap between Jewish students and Arab students was about 100 points.
In the sciences, the average Israeli score was 455 points, compared to the international average of 501 points. Again, in this category, the percentage of Israelis that excelled was only half of the percentage of international students that excelled, and the percentage of Israeli students that performed poorly was much greater than the international average, 33% to 18%.
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You'd think a country of super intelligent superstars would manage to score above Turkey.
Needless to say, Israel is a low trust society.
http://www.gnxp.com/wp/religion/israel
Then what? Nepotism. That's it. Nepotism. Jews, without concern for competence, will hire only Jews (and push out everybody else). They circle the wagons nice and tight and (using the stolen loot of usury) throw billions around the society to ensure bread is buttered in all the right places.
I do enjoy that you (Fox) associate high-IQ with immoral, exploitative behavior and the reaction behaviour of Jews by non-Jews as resentment. That sure isn't the tradition in my country among non-Jews. You might be projecting a behavior from a small sample into a larger sample. A better way to think of it (meaning the correct way) is that Jews take advantage of a loosely defined group to such an extent that the group becomes unified against Jewish unity.
Israel is a low trust society. Jewish achievement in non-Jewish societies requires a high trust society that can be exploited.
This is very old:
Kant:
http://tinyurl.com/34g7kvq
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| etc etc ..if you're going to blame Jewish thinkers and entrepreneuers for everything... etc etc |
Not everything. Only where blame is due.
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| How do you protect your people without throwing out the Jews, given you clearly believe that given enough time, Jews will just talk them into screwing themselves over again? |
It's bigger than me. This is a historical loop we're stuck in. Round and round and round we go.
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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Why? Ethnic competition can only go one way? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| How do you protect your people without throwing out the Jews, given you clearly believe that given enough time, Jews will just talk them into screwing themselves over again? |
It's bigger than me. This is a historical loop we're stuck in. Round and round and round we go. |
How is this a historical loop? For hundreds of years Jews have been persecuted in many countries. The recent (comparatively speaking) alliance with the sole superpower of the world and the establishment of a strong military to protect themselves are a historical anomaly if anything |
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mises
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| How do you protect your people without throwing out the Jews, given you clearly believe that given enough time, Jews will just talk them into screwing themselves over again? |
It's bigger than me. This is a historical loop we're stuck in. Round and round and round we go. |
How is this a historical loop? For hundreds of years Jews have been persecuted in many countries. |
That's the loop. It's like a dinner party. One guy always eats and drinks too much and makes himself unwelcome and is asked to leave. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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You'd think a country of super intelligent superstars would manage to score above Turkey.
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Well, first of all, I think we all know that academic test scores and real-world results are not necessarily correlated, especially at the primary and secondary levels. More importantly, though, you should remember that my case relies not only on genetics, but on culture as well. I'm comfortable saying that I think the Jewish-subculture that's formenting in Israel is actually inferior to that of Jews abroad when it comes to academic focus (and in fact with regards to certain other things as well). I'd like to see that corrected, but that's not really the topic of this thread.
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| Then what? Nepotism. That's it. Nepotism. |
1) Nepotism requires you to all ready be at the top in order to utilize it. We've talked about this before.
2) Other groups also practice nepotism. Maybe to a lesser degree, but not such a lesser degree that such disparate results should be seen.
I don't envy your position. You're stuck trying to explain why you feel Jews totally dominate your people while also trying to avoid any admission that Jews obtained that position through competency. Trying to reduce this matter to, "Christians are naive and trusting, Jews are untrusting and uniquely nepotistic," isn't very convincing.
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| Jews, without concern for competence, will hire only Jews (and push out everybody else). |
And yet, Jew-led firms (be it in banking or entertainment) outcompete non-Jew-led firms. How can this be, given the Jews are hiring any Jew, no matter how incompetent, and refusing to hire any gentile, no matter how competent? This doesn't make sense.
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I do enjoy that you (Fox) associate high-IQ with immoral, exploitative behavior and the reaction behaviour of Jews by non-Jews as resentment. That sure isn't the tradition in my country among non-Jews. You might be projecting a behavior from a small sample into a larger sample. A better way to think of it (meaning the correct way) is that Jews take advantage of a loosely defined group to such an extent that the group becomes unified against Jewish unity.
Israel is a low trust society. Jewish achievement in non-Jewish societies requires a high trust society that can be exploited. |
That's a nice narrative. If our economy is ever stable again, perhaps your social anxieties will sufficiently abate that you can reevaluate it and see why it's incorrect.
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| Why? Ethnic competition can only go one way? |
Of course it goes both ways. This is a point I've been trying to make to you: Jews don't have some monopoly on cultural nepotism. You're trying to construe Jews as being the only ones who play this game (at least to any serious degree), but that's simply not true. Try as you might, you can't explain away this disparity simply through nepotistic practices. |
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catman
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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That's the loop. It's like a dinner party. One guy always eats and drinks too much and makes himself unwelcome and is asked to leave. |
That is kingergarten logic. Every country in which they've been kicked out of has been Christian (and to a lesser extent Muslim). Most of which took place during the middle ages. Not exactly our brightest hour. |
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Koveras
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Surprise surprise, Jews are good at making money. And this is pawned off as evidence of intelligence, rather than greed. If you want to know how Jews customarily obtain power over Gentiles, as well as read a masterful dissection of the Jewish character, I direct you to Shakespeare's The Merchant of Venice. If you want to understand the depth of Jewish group loyalty, ponder on how these Pharisees have survived in dispersion for *2600 years* and more; then rethink whether the Jewish presence in, say, Hollywood, could possibly be neutral. If you want to understand the supremecist and pornographic mentality that pervades Judaism (that is, Phariseeism), I direct you to the Babylonian Talmud, the real scripture of the Jews since 600 BC. (Oh, and on the historical reality of so-called blood libel read Blood Passover by Ariel Toaff. You won't find it in print - I wonder why.) I realize these are broad generalizations, and I expect everyone reading this to as well: I don't concern myself with incessant PC qualifications. As Fox correctly points out, they could not hold any power over us if we didn't consent to it. So learn about it, and wake up. |
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northway
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:42 am Post subject: |
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| Koveras wrote: |
| Surprise surprise, Jews are good at making money. And this is pawned off as evidence of intelligence, rather than greed. If you want to know how Jews customarily obtain power over Gentiles, as well as read a masterful dissection of the Jewish character, I direct you to Shakespeare's The Merchant of Venice. |
This has to be a joke. |
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