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Illysook
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 9:02 am Post subject: |
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I grew up hating gym class. The class bullies ruled in gym class and I was completely awkward and uncoordinated. I preferred to have my nose in a book. Not a comic book, a real book. I barely see the point of comic books. I don't play video games either, but I have learned to enjoy sports. Going out to support my friends at my high school games was fun. I could scream and yell, act silly, and it was part of the fun. Then a guy from my brothers class went all the way to the pros. That kept it interesting. It's more fun live, but who can afford tickets very often?
So, basically, knowing the rules and something about the players makes sports a lot more interesting, just like knowing something about art history makes museum visits more fun. Preferring one of these things over the other does not make you any smarter than anyone else. |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:35 am Post subject: |
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lets say there are two guys, joe and frank who want to know who is the better athlete. so they start playing golf. joe beats frank.
so frank says, "lets play basketball" and frank dominates joe. so joe says "ok, lets play soccer" and frank again dominates joe. joe finally says "ok, lets duke it out" and joe beats frank butt. you can't go anywhere else from that. know what i mean? frank couldn't say something like "oh yeah, lets play a round of bowling." |
That's still rather subjective. If Joe and Frank are given fencing swords and decide to go at it, the best fighter may die while the best fencer remains. I'll agree that it's one of the most practical sports, but it's not the only way to duel.
As for other sports... I find them meaningless because each new year is a new trophy/ring/medal/whatever. Who cares if team X won the Y trophy in 1953?
I get a lot more passionate about things that change people's lives. Personally, that covers things from theoretical physics to interpersonal communication to micro finance. Getting all worked up over a team wining the _____ this year seems pretty insignificant in comparison. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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But there is a reason gangs aren't run by enforcers...There's more to domination than just brute force.
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This is true in life. You see guys in dominant positions over guys who could probably beat their ass. In the arena of sports though, fighting determines who is physically dominant at that point in time. It also requires strategy and thinking on ones feet. |
Yes, but Henry Kissinger could have Rocko Knuckles executed whereas Rocko Knuckles could never get within 50 paces of Kissinger. Domination is being able to enforce your will upon a person. That may or may not have anything to do with physical prowess |
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BaldTeacher
Joined: 02 Feb 2010
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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Well yeah, that's what I'm saying. Bill Gates looks and acts like a nerd but based on his social status alone, he would dominate me and almost anybody else. On a more realistic scale, there are plenty of physically unimposing people who are dominant. In the game of life, fighting ability is one small factor that can be overridden if a lack of it can be compensated for by another factor.
I remember in one season of the Ultimate Fighter, there was a dorky, tight-ass white male nurse who was pitted against a more physically imposing and more socially dominant black guy who was talented at wisecracks and talking trash. The white guy's attempts to trash talk back were pitiful and he was getting punked and laughed at. When it came time to fight though, he whooped the other guys ass.
The conclusion that you have to make then, is that in civilized society, the trash talker is more dominant, but if it comes down to pure animal competition, at least at that moment in time, that geek turned out to be more dominant.
If a servant beats his master and then starts choking him, he's obtained the power to take away the man's life. That's the purest form of dominance that there is. Subjugating another person in the social arena is trumped when that person snaps and steals your own life from you through physical strength.
When it comes to everyday life, I agree with you. Physical strength is a pretty small factor in dominance and sometimes it's not even a factor at all. |
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JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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Yea but you could snap and steal someone's life by using a gun also. I still don't see winning at fighting as the ultimate form of domination in sports. It is just a sport governed by rules like others. You try to win within the rules.
If however I was to dominate people at sports, I'd prefer to do it in something like golf. long career, non misshapen face and ears, lots of money, nice locations and not a lot of repeated blows to the head. |
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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:38 am Post subject: |
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Sports mirrors life.
It's living, dynamic, in the moment. There is the drama of the bottom of the 9th home-run, the overtime winning goal, the attack on Mt. Ventoux,the kick off the crossbar. There are the split moment decisions, the pulling the goalie, the shot instead of the pass, , the change-up instead of the fastball. There is the beauty of the curved free kick, the butterfly spread goalie save, the diving catch, the amazing pass, the triple-spin. There is the politics of who gets benched, traded, or canned. There is emotion, grace under pressure, excitement, dissapointment, flaired tempers. There is the billion little things that make sports a living thing and not just an academic exercise. The wrong call, the fan interference, the sudden cramp, the slippery pavement, the weird bounce, the equipment malfunction, the half-court long-shot. There are moments of inspiration, the birth of a star, the triumph of the underdog, the pushing of the human physical limits, the fairy-tale ending. And perhaps most like life, there is rebirth. Dynasties fail and dynasties are created. Winners become losers and losers become winners (except the Leafs. Zing!), coaches and players retire and are replaced with new ones who bring with them new ideas and new limits. |
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le-paul

Joined: 07 Apr 2009 Location: dans la chambre
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
| Generally I don't think fighting is a test of athleticism. . |
Im sorry to pick up on your point (and maybe take it a wee bit out of context), but fighters have always been the pinnacle of athleticism and still pretty much are.
Roman soldiers (for example) could march 50+ miles then fight a battle for hours! Does anyone have any idea how difficult that is?
Soldiers have always been the elite of fitness. Even today, basic training is pretty tough.
I have participated in a lot of sports that require mental/physical strength (extreme mountaineering for example). But when I tried an MMA training session, I was paggered after 15 minutes. These guys train 6/8 hours plus a day AND weight train!
Ive read accounts similar to this where professional sports people have tried fighting training and not been able to cut it (for example the training sessions for '300'). Granted all sports use different, specific muscle groups but MMA is cardio and uses all of the major/minor muscles.
However, if anyone wants to be pedantic, cyclists are the fittest as they have the lowest resting pulse rate. |
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