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Toby



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:32 pm    Post subject: ',' before 'and'. Correct grammar? Reply with quote

Should you have a comma before 'and'. I always thought not, but it happens alot in American text books. I am not sure I have seen it in English text books.

Or am I totally wrong?


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kangnamdragon



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is optional.
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

american grammar has a comma, and everyone else has a lack of a comma.
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Harpeau



Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good question. I've seen both ways used. It's a head scratcher~ that one!
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the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's called an Oxford comma.

It's optional.
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OiGirl



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both are acceptable. Pick one and keep it consistent.
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kangnamdragon



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OiGirl wrote:
Both are acceptable. Pick one and keep it consistent.


Yes, be consistent.
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kimchikowboy



Joined: 24 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends.
Traditionally, it was taught that one should use a comma when listing three or more things. At least in ancient times, when I was a student.
For example:
Tom, Dick, and Harry went to the movies.

Nowadays, (according to a jerkoff former uni prof) it isn't generally accepted. This is the same as Associated Press style, which is taught in most journalism schools. So you are safe with omitting the comma.
However, you do need the comma when linking two independent clauses to make a compound sentence (especially if the clauses are not exceedingly short).
I went to the movies and I ate popcorn. (You can get away with ommitting the comma here, though, if you are the type to stay up late obsessing over whether "anal retentive" should be hyphenated [it depends on if it us used in front of a noun; I suspect by your use of "alot" that you are not subject to sleeplessness due to pondering the finer points of grammar]).

For example:
I went to the movies the other night with the little woman, and we ate two boxes of popcorn and a bag of hot buttered squid legs.

Here, you should use the comma.
Of course, with lists involving commas within the items listed, we have the semi-colon. But I'll keep you in suspense regarding that little dickens.

Mmmmm, hot buttered squid legs....
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Toby



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it not the difference between English and American? A friend told me that that was he thought it was.

Anyway. Do Americans speak english or american?
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the_beaver



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toby wrote:
Is it not the difference between English and American? A friend told me that that was he thought it was.

Anyway. Do Americans speak english or american?


As I said, it's called an Oxford comma. Oxford being an English institution I'd assume that it's more of an English thing.
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zyzyfer wrote:
american grammar has a comma, and everyone else has a lack of a comma.


My grammar books are British, and they use a comma when you have 3 similar things in a sentence.

I lost my black, orange, and yellow crayons.

As many have said, and my grammar book says: It is optional.
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