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Robots to phase out flesh-and-blood foreign English teachers
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liveinkorea316



Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:22 am    Post subject: Robots to phase out flesh-and-blood foreign English teachers Reply with quote

This article gave me a good laugh!

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2010/12/123_77813.html
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happiness



Joined: 04 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

anything to save money and keep the whiteys away.

this is what the result will be:

"oh, the kids loved it" says the 60 year old principals of the school.
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BigBuds



Joined: 15 Sep 2005
Location: Changwon

PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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However, the robot was found to freeze if a student goes off the scripted dialogue.


Sound like most Korean students, and Korean teachers too. It should fit right in here Laughing .
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sulperman



Joined: 14 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anybody have a date for the first KT article about robot teachers? Must have been a year and a half ago.

I thought people stopped taking robots seriously after teddy ruxpin. Am I wrong?
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jrwhite82



Joined: 22 May 2010

PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not just use a computer program? The novelty will wear off after two classes.

And of course the company selling it and the education advisors receiving kickbacks will say its great.

Hopefully it doesn't crash as often as the computers at my school, because it will be pretty much useless.
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zenbone



Joined: 26 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

New job category...
Native English needed to Program English Teaching Robots. Apply Now!
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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zenbone wrote:
New job category...
Native English needed to Program English Teaching Robots. Apply Now!


I can just imagine what some disgruntled employee would "teach" the robot to say.
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sojusucks



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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However, the robot was found to freeze if a student goes off the scripted dialogue. In addition, Engkey is too expensive as it currently costs about 50 million won ($44,000) for a robot to be built.

KIST is optimistic about grappling with the drawbacks ― the organization expects that an Engkey will be made for 2 million won by 2013 and its applications should be good enough to replace native speakers by then.


They expect all of this to happen by 2013 based on what? Alien technology recovered at UFO crash sites? When will Korean parents stop falling for every gimmick under the sun? Can't they see that these con men just want money for nothing? Remember all the money dumped into English Villages? When will that losing bet pay off? Talk about "a fool and his money are soon separated."
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conrad2



Joined: 05 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First it was the "English Zone" bondoggles the elementary schools paid for. Now its robots.
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AsiaESLbound



Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri

PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The droid will play, "droid says." Droids aren't welcome to marts, because they don't eat and only get in people's way. Droids aren't welcome at the bar, because they don't drink. Droids never leave their work place, because they have no rights.
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sojusucks



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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However, the robot was found to freeze if a student goes off the scripted dialogue.


So you can make his head explode by saying "Robot, I always lie" followed by "Robot, I am lying."

Just like this- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuYbDP2kDfg
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No matter how well a Korean learns English, they won't be able to use it in the real world if they are never exposed to foreigners and the atmosphere and non-verbal communication that goes with real conversations.
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sojusucks



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bibbitybop wrote:
No matter how well a Korean learns English, they won't be able to use it in the real world if they are never exposed to foreigners and the atmosphere and non-verbal communication that goes with real conversations.


The parents will want white robots with "American" accents.
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liveinkorea316



Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as I can see from the pictures available online anyway, there will not be any "Robotics" involved except for the arms and wheels. The device they are calling a robot is actually a computer screen on wheels that shows a live feed from a webcam while simultaneously feeding back images and sounds to the location of the webcam. Basically what we all know as Skype or MSN messenger with video. The teaching is done by a flesh and blood teacher via the webcam. The only difference between this and teaching by teleconference or online is that the screen is put on wheels and moved around infront of students.

The idea of remote teaching by teleconference technology has been around for a while. It is a good idea and has benefits but while the technology has surely been there for almost a decade or more, despite potential cost savings it has not taken off much in any country for and discipline, let alone ESL. That is as far as I have heard.

So I think the basic premise of the robot idea is flawed because for a little extra cost, they could have a real life teacher in the classroom. Schools using these "robots" will be beaten out of the market by schools that use live teachers. Since when you divide the cost of a live teacher over the number of students they teach every day it comes out at not very much per student. I regularly teach more than 100 students per day and even if my salary is 100,000won per day that still only comes out at 1,000won per student - a pittance.

Korea Herald reporters need to check the stories they write...
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liveinkorea316



Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, and there are various other tasks such as meeting and socialising with students, setting exams and creating a good classroom atmosphere that would need to be considered.

The robot idea is only about the 50 minutes spent in classes. They have not considered the time outside of classes that is also spent by good teachers.
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