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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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 Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:54 am Post subject: |
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1. Tax: 3.3%
2. We think its better for people to live together, less lonely etc.
3. Employee of the month.
4. Also we will hold monthly dinners. Athletics Day etc. |
1. The tax rate suggests that the pension and med will never see the light of day.
2. Koreans like to mill around one another and have narrow personal radius. Waygukins DON"T!!
3. Koreans are singularly unable to judge this.
4. Please, please desist. The horror. |
Hi shifty thanks for your input.
1. What do you mean won't see the light of day?
2. You're being streotypical. I've never heard of people sharing houses together or boarding together before in Western Countries. Must seem crazy to westerners the idea of living together.
On a serious. We thought that it would be good for people to live together however it seems most people don't think its a good idea. We are going to have to revise this. Not saying we'll change our stance but we'll look into it.
3. I'm Australian. I've worked in Australian companies before, it's a good system I think and we'll implement it to the best of our abilities. Your racism and prejudice however I don't believe is helping.
4. Tell me why you despise them so? Bad experience? |
1. The issue has been dealt with by subsequent posters..
2. Sharing digs in a western house is completely different since rooms and spaces are larger, the neighborhood far less noisy and any disgruntled housemate can give a month's notice and opt out.
3. If you were teaching Korean in my home country how would I as a non-Korean speaker be able to judge your merits? Also the teaching methods admired by the Korean judges are not held in high esteem by foreigners. Moreover, the waygukin in Korea will not be motivated to do better in the face of such a lottery and he/she will be annoyed at having to attend the prizegiving. I hope the prize you have in mind is not a couple of cans of corned beef. But even if it were say 300 000 won I'd rather have my own time than fritter it away on such a hit and miss exercise.
4. The time of a foreigner in Korea is tight. Vacation time is extraordinary short and a lot of recuperation is needed to prevent burnout. Having a dinner or sports day just adds to the pressure. Besides at any dinner you'll have a number of foreigners all earning only 2 million. Guess what they'll be grumbling non-stop about within your earshot not to mention all the fights breaking out between apartment inmates who have become sworn enemies like snakes in a pit.. |
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debb199
Joined: 15 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:10 am Post subject: |
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Well our basic wage structure is like this:
Monthly Wage: 2 Million Korean Won
Tax: 3.3%
Pension Contribution: 4.5% of wage (we pay additional 4.5%)
Medical Insurance: 2.835% or wage (we pay additional 2.385%)
We provide housing. Apartments (between 25 and 30 'pyung'). Three bedroom; for three people, same gender. Fridge, Washing Machine, Beds, Wadrobe, TV, AirCon, Boiler Heating. Just your normal apartment. We think its better for people to live together, less lonely etc.
We also plan to have monthly bonuses. Employee of the month, small monetary rewards or coupons to various things.
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My thoughts:
2.0M Won is definitely the low(est) end of the payscale for hagwons. A very cursory look at the job ads on here will give you an idea of the salaries offered to new teachers.
Shared housing - definitely a no-no for me. Again, a quick look through job listings will show that single housing is the norm. Why on earth would I want to share an apartment with a couple of complete strangers? Another quick glance, this time at the "Freakiest Waygook Competition" thread is enough to put anyone off the idea of sharing!
Monthly bonuses etc. At my last hagwon, the director thought it would be a good idea to have a monthly "best teacher" competition with a bonus for the "best teacher of the month". Bad idea! The only people who won the "competition" were those who were seen as being chummy with the management which made everyone else extremely resentful. How would you oversee this anyway as your employees will all be working at different hagwons? Go and observe a LOT of classes every month?!
Some additional questions:
What protection does the teacher have if the hagwon is late paying their invoice? Will your company have sufficient reserves to pay teachers on time even if their hagwon is late paying?
I saw it mentioned somewhere that teachers could work at a number of different hagwons. What reassurance can you offer that the teacher will be doing a proper job and not be a show pony, ie spending 10 minutes in every class just so the hagwon owner can claim to have a native English teacher? |
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interestedinhanguk
Joined: 23 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:15 am Post subject: |
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I was always under the impression that you need to be accredited by The Department of Education (not sure specific name, but some government branch) to sponsor E2 visas.
Your wages are generally to low.
Since 30 teaching hours is the standard, plus transportation time between academies, the hours will probably be unbearable. Will you even have defined shifts? Or are you just going to call on these employees as you need them.
3 people in an apartment (and it's not even in Seoul), that's a joke. You mentioned 150,000-200,000 for housing as a possible alternative. That also is a joke. Would you provide key money?
My real question is (maybe I missed it), have you ever taught English in Korea? |
It'll cost us 150,000-200,000 more. NOT the teacher.
Yes and still do. |
So, are you sure you can sponsor an E2 visa? |
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ReeNah
Joined: 26 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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To Debb199:
Thanks for your post. Most of what you have been saying is definately been raised already.
I've had a chat with my colleagues and we've realised our wages are too low. We'll be offering between 2.2 and 2.5 million depending on experience etc.
We've also thrown the awards program and monthly dinners out the window. It'll save us money and most people agree its a waste of time and could have horror consequences.
The housing issue is also going to change. We will definately be organsing individual housing and we'll try to find places that are decent to live in (i.e clean, close to transport, good neighbourhood, all appliances etc)
We still going to target smaller hakwons initally who can't afford to have a full-time native speaker. So our recruits will work 2 places; one place 3 days and one place 2 days.
We own 2 hakwons ourselves (and opening one more in the near future) and we need more native teachers anyways. We will sponser the first lot of recruits so should not be a problem. We've done it before.
Cheers,
ReeNah |
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ReeNah
Joined: 26 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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We'll definately also be organising payments on time. That's one of the most frustrating things I've found as well. Probably more so because I'm Korean they always pay me but usually a week or two late. They just think its normal.
Us on the other hand will pay on time and yes we do have enough reserves to pay our teachers on time. We'll also provide payslips and all that.
I don't understand your second question about 'show pony' though... |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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We still going to target smaller hakwons initally who can't afford to have a full-time native speaker. So our recruits will work 2 places; one place 3 days and one place 2 days.
ReeNah |
You are aware that this is completely illegal for E-2 teachers without Immigration's express permission? Meaning that the foreign teacher has to go down to Immigration with both bosses and get the second workplace added to his ARC.
And even after all the paperwork is in order Immigration permission can be withheld for any or no reason. Which could make one or both hakwons angry with you as they were promised a teacher and didn't get one. And Immigration seems to be getting stricter these days with the 2 hakwon gig. |
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southernman
Joined: 15 Jan 2010
Location: On the mainland again
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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Hey my antipodean brother.
Back in the day I was working at two Hagwons, in my naivity I didn't even know it was illegal then. My second one, was small and I worked there two days a week. The lady was very nice.
Over the summer period she asked me to find her an extra western teacher for the month. Because I was involved at my main Hagwon full time.
As the date got closer to Christmas, her offers of pay got better. It ended up a 1 Million for the month, for one days work involving 7 forty minute classes.
So I think you're actually onto a very good market, in small Hagwons who maybe only need a western teacher for even 1 day a week.
To succeed you need teachers who can hit the ground running, make instant rapport with their students and have a very flexilble and professional demeanor. Basically you need teachers who are good. Most newbies will fizzle and burn with the stress of all the different lessons per week. Quite possibly different lessons for every single class of the week . Travel will also faze some, ideally people should really have their own transport for ease of travel
I think you will need teachers that are in the top 10% in Korea and you could market it as such to your clients.
For all the class load requirements and travel hassles I'd say that 2.75 to 3 Mill a month would get you the level of teacher you need to succeed.
Plus of course outstanding accomadation in a good quiet location
I'd do it for 3 Mil  PM me |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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Okay cool. Is my grammer that bad? It's because I'm typing as I think. Will proof read now.
So okay.
Tax. After some digging around, I have found that a teacher on a salary of 2~2.2k is roughly 2%~3%. Is that correct? How is this exactly calculated?
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Ask and ye shall receive.
http://www.nts.go.kr/eng/help/help_52.asp?top_code=H001&sub_code=HS05&ssub_code=HSE2 |
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interestedinhanguk
Joined: 23 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Is my grammer that bad? It's because I'm typing as I think. Will proof read now. |
It's almost as bad as your spelling. |
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interestedinhanguk
Joined: 23 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| So did the OP drop his plans, yet? |
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