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whitestboyalive
Joined: 09 Dec 2010
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 Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 2:53 am Post subject: Drills set for Dec.18-21 provoke warning from NK |
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As you all know, there are live firing drills near the same place NK shelled last time. So, NK comes out with a statement today. Nothing all that new here, really. Although it did grab my attention that North Korea said they would deal the "third unpredictable defensive blow" to South Korea.
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/12/17/north.korea.military.threat/index.html?hpt=T2
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(CNN) -- North Korea warned Friday it would launch a military strike against the South if Seoul goes ahead with live-fire drills near Yeonpyong Island over the next five days, North Korea's state-run KCNA reported.
South Korea "should take a prompt measure to stop the planned provocative maritime shelling from Yeonpyeong Island," the report said. The Korean People's Army "will deal the second and third unpredictable self-defensive blow at them to protect the inviolable territorial waters of" North Korea "as it had declared before the world."
The South Korean Joint Chiefs of Staff announced Thursday that the exercises will take place in the seas southwest of Yeonpyeong Island between December 18 and 21.
The South previously announced military exercises for this week.
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:43 am Post subject: Re: Drills set for Dec.18-21 provoke warning from NK |
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| whitestboyalive wrote: |
As you all know, there are live firing drills near the same place NK shelled last time. So, NK comes out with a statement today. Nothing all that new here, really. Although it did grab my attention that North Korea said they would deal the "third unpredictable defensive blow" to South Korea.
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/12/17/north.korea.military.threat/index.html?hpt=T2
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(CNN) -- North Korea warned Friday it would launch a military strike against the South if Seoul goes ahead with live-fire drills near Yeonpyong Island over the next five days, North Korea's state-run KCNA reported.
South Korea "should take a prompt measure to stop the planned provocative maritime shelling from Yeonpyeong Island," the report said. The Korean People's Army "will deal the second and third unpredictable self-defensive blow at them to protect the inviolable territorial waters of" North Korea "as it had declared before the world."
The South Korean Joint Chiefs of Staff announced Thursday that the exercises will take place in the seas southwest of Yeonpyeong Island between December 18 and 21.
The South previously announced military exercises for this week.
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So, they finally admitted, albeit indirectly, to sinking the Cheonan. |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 9:53 am Post subject: Re: Drills set for Dec.18-21 provoke warning from NK |
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| Konglishman wrote: |
So, they finally admitted, albeit indirectly, to sinking the Cheonan. |
No, technically they said they "will deal the second and third unpredictable self-defensive blow".
It's more meaningless drivel. Though if any incident occurs, there'll be plenty of idiots to blame the victim and say "The North WARNED the South not to have drills in that part of their waters, they should have known people would die!" |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: Drills set for Dec.18-21 provoke warning from NK |
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Did South korea fire shells into North Korean waters during the last drill? Did they provoke NK?
We have no way of knowing. |
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wiganer
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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Two big mouthed adjosshis yap yap yapping - thank the christ neither are in charge of anywhere important.  |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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superNET
Joined: 08 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:35 am Post subject: |
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| I blame the Americans for this latest round of trouble. There was no need for South Korea to stage live fire drills, NONE AT ALL. Pres. Lee listens to the Americans far too much and is ruining this country because of it. |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:22 am Post subject: |
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| superNET wrote: |
| I blame the Americans for this latest round of trouble. There was no need for South Korea to stage live fire drills, NONE AT ALL. Pres. Lee listens to the Americans far too much and is ruining this country because of it. |
So you don't blame the Americans for every round of trouble?
Your logic is superb. The South Korean president decided to do something that you don't like, so it must have been the idea of Americans. |
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Artris
Joined: 09 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| superNET wrote: |
| I blame the Americans for this latest round of trouble. There was no need for South Korea to stage live fire drills, NONE AT ALL. Pres. Lee listens to the Americans far too much and is ruining this country because of it. |
Certainly the US deserves a fair amount of blame on many fronts. However I really have to question your assumption that they are involved here. South Korea has every right to defend themselves: they have every right to continue drills they have, apparently, done for quite a while. Realistically the government has an obligation to protect its people and, in the long run, resuming the drills follows that train of thought.
Had South Korea not resumed the drills they would effectively be inviting North Korea to make a stronger push against the NLL. North Korea was testing Seoul while getting some needed PR (both internally and externally) in the process. Overall both parties gained from this transaction: SK gained some global sympathy and NK showed itself capable of restraint. I sincerely doubt the restraint was anything but planned from the beginning. The people losers here were, as usual, the citizens. |
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TL
Joined: 30 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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More drills
W7VOA Steve Herman
#ROK Defense Ministry says Thursday live-fire drill in NE Gyeonggi Prov. is "routine." #Koreas
W7VOA Steve Herman
#ROK Navy tells VOA 'routine" sea drills also getting underway today through Saturday off east coast. #Koreas |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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Actually training and drills are quite common in the area.
Its usual to hear the sound of explosions in the distance and to watch military vehicles in transit.
Even to see soldiers in training near my school. If NK attacks SK because this one will be larger than usual then they are clearly in the wrong.
Training is an ongoing occurance, its not a threat.
Though the BBC doesn't state exactly where it will be held, (just the name of the region) but its a large area so if NK does retaliate I hope their aim is off. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| I read a couple of news items stating Pocheong is the area where the exercises will be held. |
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Panda
Joined: 25 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:09 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
Did South korea fire shells into North Korean waters during the last drill? Did they provoke NK?
We have no way of knowing. |
I was thinking of posting a thread the other day, discussing the history of NLL, aka, Northern Limit Line
It should be noticed that the NLL was defined by the US (UN) unilaterally in Aug, 1953, one month after the Korean War Armistice.
And according to the original Korean War Armistice(article 13), the three sides (UN, China, NK) agreed everything north and west to "the line" (except the 5 islands) belong to North Korea.
However in the first place, the line was not well defined, and from the gragh in the original armistice, you can see the line was really short (the 5 islands were marked)
One month later when the UN defined the NLL, it was not recognized by all three sides...
In about 20 years after the Armistice, North Korean didn't raise an objection about this NLL, until 1976, they decided the NLL was illegal and they drew a MDL by themselves and claimed everything north to that line was their territory.
Economically, the NLL has greatly prohibited NK from developing its international harbor city Haeju. Thats why, after being silent for many years, NK became more and more angry at this line and decided to get the water back.
I believe it was groundless to blame NK for its millitary provocation since this area has been a disputed area.
The graghs were from the Armistice pubished on 28th, Jul, 1953 <People's Daily>. If anyone can find an original English edition, that would be better. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 7:34 am Post subject: |
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| I believe it was groundless to blame NK for its millitary provocation since this area has been a disputed area |
You are making the same mistake that many chinese experts and commentators have been making.
Its disputed by NK, not by SK.
If I have a piece of land and you turn up one day and tell me that it used to belong to your Great Grandfather and you want it back. Well my response is so what!
I have legal possession of it and there is no dispute from me on that matter.
Making a claim on property and saying that its disputed is not an actual argument. We know the entire peninsula is disputed, but the borders were set at the time.
I went up the east coast to the observatory. We passed a lake with a small house. It was pointed out to me as being where the NK president supposedly lived as a child. I asked why is it in SK. The answer is that the SK troops hearing that the border was to be set by the US and China attacked on the last day of the war and drove further up the peninsula.
The whole country is disputed. The question is whether NK and SK want to restart the war to end the dispute. SK isn't ending its claim of the territory it controls anymore than NK is.
Lets say that SK attacked the area north of those islands because its disputed by them as belonging to the North. Is that ok?
Nk would say there is no dispute, we control it, we own it, etc
Therefore they cant just take what belongs to us regardless of whose Grandfather had a piss on that rock in Ancient times.
So no, its not disputed except by one side. A one sided argument is not an argument. Its you saying, this is mine and me saying "�eah, what ever". |
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Panda
Joined: 25 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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So no, its not disputed except by one side. A one sided argument is not an argument. Its you saying, this is mine and me saying "�eah, what ever". |
Please just read more before you argue with me, I was not followeing any government, either Chinese or the US government, the history we were told could be unclear, I was just trying to answer Junior's question and hope we could know the history based on the facts.
You could even just refer to the "NLL" in the Wiki (I assume it was not North Korea who edited that page)
In Wiki they said:
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The 1953 Armistice Agreement which was signed by both North Korea and the United Nations Command,[5] ended the Korean War and specified that the five islands including Yeonpyeong Island, Baengnyeong Island would remain under United Nations Command and South Korean control. However, they did not agree on a maritime demarcation line, primarily because the United Nations Command wanted to base it on three nautical miles of territorial waters, while North Korea wanted to use twelve nautical miles
After the United Nations Command and North Korea failed to reach an agreement, the line was set by the United Nations military forces on August 30, 1953 |
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| It is unclear when North Korea was informed of the existence of the NLL. Many sources suggest this was done promptly, but in 1973 Deputy Secretary of State Kenneth Rush stated, in a now declassified, "Joint State-Defense Message" to the U.S. Embassy in Seoul that "We are aware of no evidence that NLL has ever been officially presented to North Korea. |
BTW, your logic about dispute is just wrong. |
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