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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boffo97 wrote:


Then the computer reboots... and nothing.

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You could try clearing the CMOS, which might correct any BIOS errors.

Find the 'CMOS_clear' pins (usually near the battery and PCI-e slot) and connect them with something metal for about 10 seconds. You might also need to take the mobo battery out while you do this.
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Meow?



Joined: 06 Oct 2010
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I'm ready for another purchase (pay day afterall).

Let's say my budget is 1.2 mil won.
Minus mouse and keyboard (I get them every time I buy a unit).
Minus monitor (just bought a new one)
Minus graphic card (I didn't know my new one has gtx 460 and I still have a spare).

Let's say power consumption is not an issue (my electricity is free).

Let's say I will use it for just video/photo editing (not really a job nor a hobby, but I was asked to do some... by family Rolling Eyes ), and maybe some gaming (though I already have this other one for it... but just in case I smashed it 'cause I died for the Nth time on Mass Effect).

Let's say I'm limited to purchasing here in South Korea and I HATE going to Yongsan and make those ajoshis feel like they did me a favor after over charging the totally ignorant me... so I guess shopping at Danawa or Gmarket is my only option.

Let's say I'm still scared and ignorant that over-clocking is not an option... yet.

Someone told me to choose a processor first and work from there. So I chose AMD. Reason? I have no idea but I've been with AMD since my first computer here in Korea. Besides, I checked Danawa and saw this and went, "WTF???"
But I don't know which of the AMDs are good. Maybe one of these? Or should I choose something else? I don't even know what those numbers mean.

I was also told to watch out for the socket thingy (AMD vs Intel for MOBO). Let's say I was trying hard, checking on these items and my brain exploded. So I'm busy picking up pieces of my 3oz. brain, and I beg you guys to put me out of my misery. Help!

Let's say that I want a unit that'd last me 5 years a happy bunny since use a computer only for the sake of having one.

So what's next? Which item? What's the rest of it?

...uhhhh... help?

Edit:
BTW I'm getting tired and bored of the fights between Apple and the rest of the world. So can we-all take a break and talk about this for just a short while?
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vDroop



Joined: 25 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That budget will build a very nice AMD rig.

I'll just list the essentials and the brands you choose depend on how much you want to spend.

The CPU you linked is a good one.
You need an AM3 motherboard for that. (the ones you linked will do)
You need RAM (memory). Get at least 4 GB of DDR3: Samsung / G.Skill / Corsair

You also need a decent power supply. Something 600 watts or more. Corsair / Seasonic / Antec are trusted brands
You also need an HDD for storage. (Samsung F3s are beautiful and cheap)
You need a optical drive (LG makes quality, inexpensive ones)
You need a case. Anything with at least 1 front fan and 1 rear will do.
You need an operating system. Get Windows 7.

You have the rest.
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Meow?



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never understood the importance of cases. All I heard before was "get the full tower if you want to upgrade". Until the fan part was mentioned.

... then I saw this and went "WHAAAT?" on the price.... read on and quite understood how important a case is now. But c'mon! That price?
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JSC



Joined: 07 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meow? wrote:
I think I'm ready for another purchase (pay day afterall).

Let's say my budget is 1.2 mil won.

[...]


If you're truly interested in building a computer from scratch, here's a great site:

http://www.tomshardware.com/

The "Build Your Own" section is a good resource and gives component recommendations for various budgets, along with explanations why the choices were made. Look for the "System Builder Marathon" articles. However, the thing to keep in mind is that the guides are specifically geared for gamers, not home/office users.

You can also check Tom's HW forums, as you will likely find people who have similar questions as yourself. This link is particularly helpful in choosing a CPU for non-gaming purposes (look for section 5.3 Recommended CPUs") and other general CPU/mobo related info.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/267801-28-buyer-guide

Of course, if you're not really interested in the nitty gritty details and just want recommendations, I'm sure many people, including myself, would be happy to make some for you.
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Nuggets



Joined: 23 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meow? wrote:
I never understood the importance of cases. All I heard before was "get the full tower if you want to upgrade". Until the fan part was mentioned.

... then I saw this and went "WHAAAT?" on the price.... read on and quite understood how important a case is now. But c'mon! That price?


Yeah man, if you want to tinker around with it every so often, then you should get a good case. Make sure the intake fan is able to blow on the hdd cage, cause that'll help extend the life of your hdd's. It's slightly stressful when you want to dink around and clean things up and not have the room to do it comfortably.

Your budget can build a mid to mid-high end rig. I recommend going for the Sandy Bridge platform being released in January, prices are out and seem really reasonable for their performance.

Since you already have a nice gpu, you could probably get another one and sli it! But, I digress...

Getting a system that'll last 5 years is kinda tough, BUT - it really depends on your needs and goals.

So, exactly what do you envision yourself doing with this comp?
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Meow?



Joined: 06 Oct 2010
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I usually don't like taking the easy way out. The link posted is a really good read. It means it'll take me a lot of time ... uhhh... deciphering them. I'm ancient (to some peeps). And I remember the time when I get a huge dictionary to search the meaning of a word, then flip pages to look for 10 words used on the meaning-of-the-first-word, then the vicious cycle begins. That's how I feel about the site for now. But I'll cope.

What I do with my computers is seasonal. It's not a job nor a hobby. But at times, I get to do something intensely for about 4 months. Right now, I'm going to need the computer for video editing using Vegas, Nero package, and Audition. That'll most probably involve me using GIMP a for hours and hours and hours too (I hate Photoshop! It's like quantum physics!). Doing all of these until April. After that, I might switch to gaming phase. 2 years ago = Regnum Online. Pretty basic stuff and I get so much lag, I ended up buying another computer; convincing myself that it'll make things better. Last year = Shin Megami Tensei. Another basic stuff and I love that there were not a lot of people playing it that time. But the animations keep calling my urge to upgrade. Never happened. This year = Dragon Age and Mass Effect = new computer. Perhaps after that, would be nothing but facebook or what not.

Just saying, what I do for the unit is random. Although, I do nothing but basic stuff, I just fear that in time, if I want to play with some software or game that requires another better component, would drive me crazy again. Past computers? Will be given away to family. Couple of hermits like me who knows less than I do with technology.

So, is 5 years still too ambitious for me?

As of now, I'm looking at 1000w PSUs and I was told it's overkill. I just thought that maybe, just maybe, it'll cope up to future upgrades. Like 3 years from now. But if this and this would cost me that much and I end up just using 30% of what it offers, for the rest of its life then... maybe I'd rather go for something more practical?
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JSC



Joined: 07 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meow? wrote:
I never understood the importance of cases. All I heard before was "get the full tower if you want to upgrade". Until the fan part was mentioned.

... then I saw this and went "WHAAAT?" on the price.... read on and quite understood how important a case is now. But c'mon! That price?


Get a full tower if you want to stuff a lot of components in it... multiple DVD/CD/Blu-ray drives, more than two hard drives, more than one video card, more front panel inputs, etc. Otherwise, you can get away with a mini- or mid-tower case.

Since you linked a Lian Li, here's another one (that I stumbled across on the same site) worth considering if you want a premium case: LINK. I'm not sure if it's exactly the same case, but reviews can be found here: Newegg. BTW, I'm not necessarily recommending that particular case, I just came across it while looking at your link.

Also, there's nothing wrong with taking the easy way out when it comes to building a computer, especially if it's not your job or hobby. It's potentially VERY time consuming and frustrating if you're a novice, but there is a great deal of satisfaction when it's all put together and running smoothly.

And yes, 1000w is a bit overkill unless you're running multiple video cards + multiple drives + high end CPU + running Folding @Home 24/7 while encoding video and playing a recent game on highest settings.
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Nuggets



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

holy crap man! calm down on the psu!!! Even if you decide to upgrade down the line, i doubt you'd get anything that would warrant that much power usage. Besides, stuff usually gets more and more efficient as time passes. you'd be ok with a 600w for your needs.

But, as stated before, let's start with what cpu you want first and we'll slowly help you piece together what you need. But, I'd probably recommend a mid-grade build. And if you could wait a month for Intel to release their new stuff, prices will drop on older tech and you'd get better value from this generation's tech depending on what you get.
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Meow?



Joined: 06 Oct 2010
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nuggets wrote:
holy crap man! calm down on the psu!!!

JSC wrote:
And yes, 1000w is a bit overkill unless you're running multiple video cards + multiple drives + high end CPU + running Folding @Home 24/7 while encoding video and playing a recent game on highest settings.


Okay. Duly noted and drilled in my skull. No big numbers. All my units are on 24/7 but that's about it.

Perhaps I could wait for another month. But it would be nice to start purchasing some stuff that won't affect much of the build.

So far, I only read into some of these:

So not this or this but something lower. Maybe this or this or this according to recommended brands. Which one is better? Or is there something better?
I could wait for a better CPU but I'll be damned to get this for that price. I'm almost settled for something like this unless something better or more suitable is recommended.
I always thought I could never go wrong with a big HDD. Did I at least get this right?
JSC wrote:
Get a full tower if you want to stuff a lot of components in it... multiple DVD/CD/Blu-ray drives, more than two hard drives, more than one video card, more front panel inputs, etc.

No, I don't think I'd end up with that. Maybe an experimental 2 video cards just to see how it looks like but not included in the plan as of now. So no to the ambitiously priced dude and go mid tower.

I found an untouched DvD Multi ODD packed in a corner. I think I got that trying to upgrade my oldest one (it can not write DvDs that time) but didn't know how to fit it. So I ended up having to buy one from the shop and let them install it themselves. Unless there's another complex thing like numbers of pins and so on that I need to look out for, that spare ODD would suffice for me.

GTX 460 already here.

Still looking at MOBOs for now. I opted for AM3 since I'm almost decided to go for AMD. The check boxes confuse me yet. Form Factor? Chipset Details? Googling wth those mean for the moment. And it'll take more reading if in case I go for intel. I just want something with many slots because they look fun... is that reasonable?

RAMs would be provided if I kiss my boss's behind enough. I could get all his 4 gigs DDR3 just for starters. But I do like to feel almighty a little and go as high as I can in time.

Got me a Windows 7 64bit Ultimate K when I had one of my old comps "fixed".

So, any thoughts? And thank you thank you thank you.
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vDroop



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meow? wrote:

I always thought I could never go wrong with a big HDD. Did I at least get this right?


No :p

Don't get that. Green HDDs are meant to run cool, quiet, and sip power but that's because they are slow. It's 5400 rpm. You want a Samsung Spinpoint F series. They run at 7200 rpm.
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vDroop wrote:
Meow? wrote:

I always thought I could never go wrong with a big HDD. Did I at least get this right?


No :p

Don't get that. Green HDDs are meant to run cool, quiet, and sip power but that's because they are slow. It's 5400 rpm. You want a Samsung Spinpoint F series. They run at 7200 rpm.


Be careful if you get an AMD mobo with the 890** chipset. There's a known incompatibility with the Samsung F3 drives........

You definitely don't need any more than a 600w PSU unless you're going to add another graphics card and/or overclock.

The FSP company, whose PSU's are rebranded by many companies, actually make great value PSU's under their own brand. I use their Epsilon 80Plus 500w in my HTPC and it's really good. I'm impressed with it's quality. 90,000.

For 600w, I'd go for the Seasonic S12-II Bronze 620w for 110,000.

Mobo? I'm using the Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H with the Phenom II x6 1055T.............if you want the Phenom 1090T and you get a Gigabyte mobo, then our systems will be similar enough for me to give you a clear and easy overclock guide. Change just 4 things in the BIOS and you can have all 6 cores of your CPU running at 3.5ghz or more! That's a lot of extra power for free. Well worth doing.
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Meow?



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the time I was still thinking whether I want another computer or not, I already based it on imitating either
Quote:
Phenom II x6 1055t @3500mhz on all 6 cores......192,000
Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H................................179,000
4GB G.Skill 1600mhz @1666mhz.........................150,000
HIS HD5850...simply OC'd with ATI overdrive.......380,000
Zalman 600w PSU...............................................100,000

or
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CPU: i7 920 d0 stepping OC'd @ 4Ghz
GPU: GTX 460 1GB OC'd @ 850/2100
RAM: 6 GB Samsung OC'd @ 1500MHz
MOBO: Asus P6T
PSU: Corsair 650W
Case: Antec 902
CPU Cooler: CM Hyper 212+
HDD: Samsung F3 1TB
ODD: LG BluRay


But I got too ambitious and decided I'll go my own way, do my own research... and got overwhelmed. I might end up imitating your set-ups in the end. I just thought, with my current budget, and if I will wait for next month and might add more won to it, why not go better?... and then I was asked what would I use it for and now start to think it over; a better set-up might really not be practical. But at least with people's input, I'm learning.
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meow? wrote:

But I got too ambitious and decided I'll go my own way, do my own research... and got overwhelmed. I might end up imitating your set-ups in the end. I just thought, with my current budget, and if I will wait for next month and might add more won to it, why not go better?... and then I was asked what would I use it for and now start to think it over; a better set-up might really not be practical. But at least with people's input, I'm learning.


Of course, it's always nice to get real high-end stuff......I'd much rather be driving a Porsche 911 Turbo than my Kia Morning!!

But the Morning does get me to work and it can do the maximum speed allowed of 110kmph.........so, if you get my slightly torturous point.....the kind of rig I'm running now based on the OC'ed 1055T and the HD5850 can get me all the frames per second I need in the games that I play. I don't need to spend more.


So you need to choose........will you go all out and get yourself a really sweet rig that will give you a real buzz of ownership satisfaction?.........or will you get just exactly enough for what you need to do?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meow? wrote:


But I got too ambitious and decided I'll go my own way, do my own research... and got overwhelmed. I might end up imitating your set-ups in the end. I just thought, with my current budget, and if I will wait for next month and might add more won to it, why not go better?... and then I was asked what would I use it for and now start to think it over; a better set-up might really not be practical. But at least with people's input, I'm learning.


If you're going to be doing a lot of video/photo editing I'd suggest waiting for the new Intel LGA1155 chips. Early benchmarks show them competing with current upper-end 1366 i7 systems and they'll be significantly cheaper, by the looks of things.

I'd recommend going with a 6-core AMD build ONLY if you're really tight for money.
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