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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Summer Wine wrote: |
To bring the topic back on track.
Who has found out that their school doesn't have a budget for a NET next year?
Who is leaving and been told that they wont be replaced?
What recruiters have been told that there is a drop in positions available?
If you have been told that the school wont re-sign you for another year due to budget constraints, what plans do you have?
These are more facts on the ground. My school no longer has a budget for a NET. I wonder how many other schools will find themselves in similar positions, especially if 200 teachers are no longer required. |
*ahem* Right. Back on topic. As I mentioned, my school didn't have a budget for me next year under the previous administration. But the new principal is something of a magic lobbyist for getting private funding. So maybe I'll be staying. Point is, sometimes it depends on your administration, not government or GEPIK policy.
That said, though, I did hear last year that GEPIK is at capacity and is not hiring more teachers. (Of course, there's still turnover at the schools that do have teachers). Also was told that most of the cuts will be in rural areas.
But the numbers (ie: percent of teachers who will be cut) don't account for demographics. The mojority of teachers here are in their 20s and aren't looking to make teaching their career. |
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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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If they are looking to save money, why don't they stop paying recruiters and new teachers for airfare and settlement and get an in house program in place to get competent teachers who got cut set up in different schools that have openings, BEFORE going to the new hires. Make a system where you get these people new jobs, but they don't collect a new incoming plane ticket and settlement allowance.
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They already do something like this. It's not systematic. But check out all the job postings that include all the visa classes: E2s, F4s, F2s
The E2s almost always get the airfare and settlement allowance. F2s and F4s aren't guaranteed it. Especially if your already in Korea.
This is particularly true for hagwon jobs |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:20 am Post subject: |
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| I guess the E2's will need to do a visa run regardless. But cut out the middle man for these cases and save some money. Why pay recruiters to find good teachers that we already have?!?! It's ridiculous! |
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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| I guess the E2's will need to do a visa run regardless. But cut out the middle man for these cases and save some money. Why pay recruiters to find good teachers that we already have?!?! It's ridiculous! |
Just a couple of theories here:
1) They don't have the bureacracy and manpower available to organize who's available and who's needed where. It's easier to dish out the quotas to the recruiters and let them and prospective teachers organize themselves. Yeah, some teachers may get shafted out of that, but you're a temporary contracted worker so they don't care.
3) There may be legitimate legal reasons. I know nobody really knows what's happening in the internal bowels of Korean education departments, but to give an example from my job in Canada,, where this kind of legal wrangling is a little more transparent, my project was cancelled and I was cut from my full-time salaried position. I had to resubmit my resume to HR and go through the formaility of a new interview to get a new position -- same job description, same salary, same location (about three cubicles away in fact.) However, if they didn't want to keep me at the company, they wouldn't have hired me for the "new" position and would have just laid me off since my position was no longer available. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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The number of FT's in public schools has increased, not decreased.
Literally every govt. school has one now: 3 years ago only about half did.
Whats changed is that the majority are employing only young north american females. So this is where people who don't fit the Korean identikit of what constitutes an ideal teacher..are being cut out. |
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Capo
Joined: 09 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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| reason for the budget problems is promising of free school lunches by the new education govener in his campaign he said alot of the savings will come from English education budget. My school has 600 students which would cost about 1.5M won per day to feed. |
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Morticae
Joined: 06 May 2010
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:10 am Post subject: |
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Free school lunch? Get outta here. What about the famous saying, "There's no such thing as a free lunch."
At any rate, if EPIK tanks... so what? Most schools will still hire. EPIK is just a recruiter. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:30 am Post subject: |
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| Morticae wrote: |
| At any rate, if EPIK tanks... so what? Most schools will still hire. EPIK is just a recruiter. |
I'm not so sure. Schools are not independent, they are governed by a board.
That board has announced that they will hire 2000 extra Korean english teachers in 2011.
Ain't gonna be much cash left for waegooks. We're being replaced. |
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DosEquisXX
Joined: 04 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:09 am Post subject: |
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Ain't gonna be much cash left for waegooks. We're being replaced. |
Off to China! |
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fusionbarnone
Joined: 31 May 2004
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 4:39 am Post subject: |
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| Korea has far more going for it at the moment than many countries in the west as they still wholly control their ship building, car manufacture, tech. components industries etc. Compare that to the US and other countries UK, P.I.G.S. who are struggling. Korea's GDP can afford EPIK programs. |
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shostahoosier
Joined: 14 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:27 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
| Morticae wrote: |
| At any rate, if EPIK tanks... so what? Most schools will still hire. EPIK is just a recruiter. |
I'm not so sure. Schools are not independent, they are governed by a board.
That board has announced that they will hire 2000 extra Korean english teachers in 2011.
Ain't gonna be much cash left for waegooks. We're being replaced. |
The teacher who was at my school before me was from the Philippines and was not eligible for an E2 visa (though her teaching was really great). Because she was married to a Korean I'm guessing she had an F visa.
Anyway, they werent allowed to use EPIK money for her so the school payed her salary. She worked on a modified schedule though (25 hours a week, less vacation/sick time, no airfare). However, the point is that schools CAN hire teachers on their own and pay for them if they want. |
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superNET
Joined: 08 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Korea has far more going for it at the moment than many countries in the west as they still wholly control their ship building, car manufacture, tech. components industries etc. Compare that to the US and other countries UK, P.I.G.S. who are struggling. Korea's GDP can afford EPIK programs. |
If that were true, we wouldn't be hearing stories of cutbacks and westerners losing their jobs.
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| However, the point is that schools CAN hire teachers on their own and pay for them if they want. |
It is not that simple. It would depend upon their budget, which they get from the federal government, . It would depend upon their priorities, what needs fixing or updating at the school. It depends upon what construction projects they have going on.
There is only so much money to go around and it all comes from the Federal government. Since they are doing other programs now, don't expect to see a lot of money thrown at schools like it was in the past. |
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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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Even six years ago when ESL in Korea was perhaps at it's peak, I really, really believed Korea would go the way of Japan where native speakers would become more and more irrelevant in the education system as the system matured, and in my mind, it's always been a matter of when -- not if -- espeicialy in the public system.
I think a lot of native speaking teachers do a great job, and this is not a slight against any one individual, but *overall*, it's always been a circus that was overpriced, underutilised, and inneffective. Ultimately, there's never been any accountability, and that just can't go on forever. |
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:57 am Post subject: |
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| silkhighway wrote: |
Even six years ago when ESL in Korea was perhaps at it's peak, I really, really believed Korea would go the way of Japan where native speakers would become more and more irrelevant in the education system as the system matured, and in my mind, it's always been a matter of when -- not if -- espeicialy in the public system.
I think a lot of native speaking teachers do a great job, and this is not a slight against any one individual, but *overall*, it's always been a circus that was overpriced, underutilised, and inneffective. Ultimately, there's never been any accountability, and that just can't go on forever. |
The way of Japan? JET Program (similar to GEPIK/EPIK - co-teaching in the public schools) is still there and has been since the 1980s. |
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