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livinginkorea
Joined: 11 Jun 2004
Location: Korea, South of the border
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 Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:48 am Post subject: |
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| I stopped reading your post after this arrogrant and self righteous spittle. I assume that you have qualifications to support these impressive and humble claims |
The only thing that can be said to this garbage is: the pot calling the kettle black.
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| have taught teachers for a couple of years and they do whine more than any other department. Anybody who teaches education or TESOL will understand what I mean. |
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| I have taught TESOL for a couple of years now (cert. and MA level) so let me know if you have any questions. Teaching TESOL at a graduate level is a total different ball game than teaching EFL, which I think some posters have failed to grasp. Your approach has to be different. |
Talk about arogant and self-righteous. Those of us who have found the correct way to teach, are not arrogant or self-righteous especially when people like you spout off and say nothing of value or importance.
You quote someone who uses world wide fame as a measuring stick, what a laugh that was. You insult an entire nation withut even questioning the reason why that is, or even considering the fact of prejudice and bias would play a part in that lack of recognition.
It isno wonder YOUR students whine and complain, you do not know what you are talking about. The teachers I have taught, have NEVER whined and complained. They know what they must do.
Clearly there is a problem in your approach to teaching and your 'curriculum'. |
There's no way you are in teacher education with a statement like 'Those of us who have found the correct way to teach...' Correct way to teach? Pray tell, what is this? I am sure that the greats in SLA are just dying to know! Or they have no clue either? Love the way you dismiss academia like that. You sir/madame are a troll.
What I say obviously has some importance since I am teaching a MA in TESOL course in Korea. I must be doing something right. The majority of my students are Koreans who have many years experience teaching. They know and I know that there is no one approach to teaching, the sooner you realise that the better (although I do not think a troll is capable of that  ). Whatever works well for your students.
All students whine and complain, it's what we all do too about everything in life. Students have a lot to deal with - family, kids, jobs, and then have study placed on that. Of course they are entitled to whine here and there. It's how you deal with it that is important. To think that none of yours do is a fallacy, bubble-teacher! |
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livinginkorea
Joined: 11 Jun 2004
Location: Korea, South of the border
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| Youre not going to sway supernet. He has a terminal case of stockholm syndrome. |
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I have taught TESOL for a couple of years now (cert. and MA level) so let me know if you have any questions. Teaching TESOL at a graduate level is a total different ball game than teaching EFL, which I think some posters have failed to grasp. Your approach has to be different. |
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Talk about arogant and self-righteous. Those of us who have found the correct way to teach, are not arrogant or self-righteous especially when people like you spout off and say nothing of value or importance.
You quote someone who uses world wide fame as a measuring stick, what a laugh that was. You insult an entire nation withut even questioning the reason why that is, or even considering the fact of prejudice and bias would play a part in that lack of recognition.
It isno wonder YOUR students whine and complain, you do not know what you are talking about. The teachers I have taught, have NEVER whined and complained. They know what they must do.
Clearly there is a problem in your approach to teaching and your 'curriculum'. |
I guess I should also add delusions of grandeur with a healthy of side of narcissism....
BTW superNet, livinginkorea put his credentials and experience on the table to lend some credibility to his ideas about teaching. We're still waiting, even after he asked you many posts ago, for you to tell us what training, credentials and experience you have that makes your way "far better than anyone else's." |
I should clarify that I have seen many teachers assume just because they have taught EFL for a couple of years in Korea that they can jump right into teacher education. However, this is definitely not the case. It's the same as a teacher teaching adults for years assuming he can dumb down the language when teaching young learners. It's totally incorrect, both groups have very different cognitive and social processes so the teaching approach must be different. |
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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Pay no mind to superNET. His trolling tactic is to constantly instigate argument |
Yet I am not trolling and if you recall, Obama touts the Korean educational system over the western one, so I am in good company.
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| If she was helpless, as you claim, she wouldn't have been able to get 23 right |
Obama also forgets to mention your guaranteed to graduate here. One only needs to look at the legions of technical high schools. Where most of the kids should never have passed onto high schools. They are illiterate in English & Korean. And pretty much in every subject area, they're 1/10th national average. They're just being pushed through the system.
This isn't unique to Korea. School districts in the states, do the same thing. My point, be careful of glorifying things you don't fully understand. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Western teachers tend to uphold the standards they had to adhere to as students. |
Why do that when you can improve on it? The western way is not infallible nor correct so why perpetuate a bad method?
I never said it was, but if you hire Western teachers you'd better take into account that they are going to follow the standards and teaching ideals that they learned.
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| Whether or not you agree with the OP's teaching methods I can't see how you would think that your ideas are better |
When good teaching moments arise, you do not ignore them but use them to make the student a beter studier and person. ignoing their plight only leads to negative attitudes and ruins a good educational relationship.
True enough. But I wasn't there and neither were you. Only the OP best knows the true situation and is best able to judge if his actions were appropriate.
You on the other hand seem to think you can dictate to everyone else based upon your own experiences. Talk about arrogant.
My ideas are better based upon my students' performances over the years and how much easier it gets to teach them when you work with them not against them by leaving them helpless when they are having a problem.
He didn't leave her helpless, she got 23 right out of 25. If she had an ounce of gumtion about her, she should have been able to find the other 2 answers on her own.
If you think that that western standard is so good, why is it that the western students lag behind everyone else in test results and student achievement. That wetern standard you love so much fails its students.
I didn't say they were so goed. I said if you hire Westerners, you can expect them to follow Western standards. If you don't want Western stanards used, DON'T HIRE WESTERN TEACERS.
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It seems most posters disagree with you, so you start name-calling. (brilliant)
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No name calling done but describing the attitude being displayed by their remarks. Giving 2 answers is not going to hurt the Op or any teacher in authority or influence, but it will help them because the student will see that the teacher does care about them and their success.
He does care, if he did't care, he would not have even bothered to post this story. He just doesn't agree with your ideas about what is best for the student.
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| I don't know of any profs back in my university that would have given me the answers |
Who cares? We are not 'back home' and western professors are not the boss of the educational world. What they do doesn't mean crap here,
Obviously a lot of Korean universities care or they wouldn't be so eager to hire Western teachers.
Are you saying you would blindly follow the western teacher even tough they do not hold to any high standard themselves?
What are you talking about here? The Western teacher is trying to get the student to think for his or her self, not blindly follow them.
If anything is blindly following them, it would be expecting them to give you all the answers all the time.
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AgRfaOR9DKDk3hpd6mP8Z5WbvZx4?p=american+teachers+cheating&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-319
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGdXZYKA1NTesAtwBXNyoA;_ylc=X1MDMjc2NjY3OQRfcgMyBGFvAzAEZnIDeWZwLXQtMzE5BGhvc3RwdmlkA0VDZXlVa29HZFRDcVhvWVFUUXNZaVFzZ1A5bm9WRTBOS0ZnQUN4SFYEbl9ncHMDMARuX3ZwcwMwBG9yaWdpbgNzcnAEcXVlcnkDYW1lcmljYW4gdGVhY2hlcnMgY2hlYXRpbmcgb24gdGVzdARzYW8DMQR2dGVzdGlkA1ZJUDA0MQ--?p=american+teachers+cheating+on+test&fr2=sb-top&fr=yfp-t-319
Clearly, holding to a western way is not the best way. |
Did you even read the links you posted? The first one talks about profs who are called into question for "giving students the anwers", which is exactly what you are advocating. So it would seem that even your links agree that
giving students the answers is a bad thing. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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SuperNET,
He did help her. He told her where she could find the answers. Giving her the answers isn't helping her. It's spoon feeding her. |
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