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[murmanjake]

[eb]

Thanks for ending this mundane discussion.

BTW, who is SUPERNET?

[Milwaukiedave]

I bet you anything that this Creeper guy is Wild Bill, the same one that posted porn all over Dave's. His writing style is similar having read some of his stuff when he had a blog trying to "out" people who were teaching here that had a past.

[creeper1]

Yeah I would like to end this discussion as well. Having this up is maybe attracting the wrong type of people to read it and get ideas.

To "Milwaukiedave" I never posted any porn on any forum I have posted under no other username here or elsewhere.

I am not trying to flame anyone. I have our (good teachers/waygooks) best intrest at heart.

[Waygofet]

creep, I don't think you truly have teachers best interest at heart, or at the very least you don't understand certain things about the world. Maybe you are just young and have yet to experience much but you seem judgmental and uneducated. You seem to see the world in a very black and white way when its filled with grey.

For example, 12 years ago I went on a road trip with a friend, we had some pot on us (A substance less harmful than alcohol btw) and got pulled over and the pot was found. We were given a ticket, spent a night in jail, etc...
(this was in Maine where its a misdemeanor, the same as something like speeding) In the 12 years since then I have traveled around the world quite a bit where I did charity work in a few countries. When I got home I raised 1500 dollars for cancer research while running a marathon, then I went back to school to get my degree in education at a small Christian university. I spent a year working by babysitting 2 of my nieces and nephews, after that I have spent the last 2 years teaching soccer at an after school program for elementary students in one of the worst schools in the state where the ESL rate is 85%.

I graduate in 6 months and would like to go teach in Korea but according to you I am "scum" who does not deserve to go teach there because I will give teachers a bad name (Did I mention that my supervising teacher whom I did my student teaching with said I was the best student teacher he had seen in his 40 years experience? but he's probably a scum also, he's only been a pastor for about 20 years on top of teaching at the private Christian school that I did my student teaching at)

but hey, maybe you are right, looking back on the past 12 years of my life I completely have shown what a gigantic scumbag I am and how I do not deserve to get help in figuring how I can teach in Korea.

I think it will be interesting when you grow up and get a little real life experience and jump out of your sheltered little ignorant judgmental world, thank god that not everyone here is like you and that I have read good advice from others on how to be able to teach over there.

[TheUrbanMyth]

[Milwaukiedave]

[itistime]

I'm all for beating the system if intentions are somewhat honorable and not used for 'abuse'. I guess this is open to interpretation.

What I think is really STUPID is knuckleheads coming on here and incriminating themselves and others by asking for some of the questionable advice.

Use your brain and understand that this is a public forum. You may be ruining chances for future 'past offenders with good intentions'. People from the gov and school board do read this stuff even though much of it is considered non sense.

But, natural selection will eventually weed out you dimwits.
Creeper, I also don't believe you have teachers best interest at heart, but you're free to say whatever you like. Maybe some have been convinced by you.

Good luck bandits.

[superNET]

[OculisOrbis]

And they dont need to. That's why they request a CRC. If it's clear and adheres to the immi requirements for a CRC, you are eligible and deserving of a work visa. Expunged records included.

Do you even know about korean CRC's? Offences are erased after 4 years if the jail time was under two years. How many korean teachers are back at work after committing a crime that no longer appears on their record?

[murmanjake]

IT's easy enough...

restrict visa-disqualifying offenses to a certain range.

violent/drug related misdemeanors and felonies mean NO visa

arrests without conviction, or minor misdemeanors(DUI, public intoxication whatever) OK

This is how other employers and governments screen applicants. It's just a matter of looking at the criminal record and comparing it with the list of disqualifying offenses.

Then again we are not the Korean govt. and as others have said, we have no say in their regulations, so while it's all fun and good to imagine how it should be, we're powerless to change things.

[DJ Clae]

Before I got my DUI I was kind of like the OP and the ones agreeing with him. In fact, that kind of attitude might have helped lead to my DUI. When I got behind the wheel that night, I knew I was above the limit. But I'd never gotten a ticket for anything in my life and I thought that getting arrested was only for wicked people who do bad things. That's what our morals teach us -- a clear distinction between good and bad people -- the classic hero and the villain. But we all know the reality is not black and white, and because of life's complexity I try to be understanding and forgiving. I was basically a scared kid and not prepared at all for the mess I ended up in after the DUI.

Everyone where I'm from knows someone who has had a DUI, but seldom do those people share all the gruesome details of the experience. My impression before I'd gone through it myself was that it was just like a really bad speeding ticket. I'd never bothered considering what happens after a DUI conviction. Well, my state has some of the toughest DUI laws, and I can tell you now -- you get passed over when applying for jobs or loans, depending on the industry you work in you will have to go through the humiliation of documenting it at your work place in some cases. I had no idea it was something that haunts you and mars your reputation for life. I just learned that in my state it can't even be expunged from your record except in very specific cases.

That being said, I did have many jobs after the DUI before teaching in Korea. Jobs that, quite frankly, I consider a higher station than an ESL teacher overseas (just in terms of the necessary qualifications, if nothing else). This is no disrespect to the profession, as I've met many passionate teachers in Korea who are very dedicated educators and often have licenses and education in the field.

After the economy really took a dive back home, teaching in Korea was a great option. Part of what led me to the DUI was moderate depression (another thing you don't want to mention on your medical form because it's none of their business), and Korea really took me out of my funk. A whole new scenery with few responsibilities and new people is the best fresh start there is.

Now I'd really like to continue my life with my friends in Korea. I should not have gone home for that break last month -- apparently renewing or transferring the visa from within the country would have been much easier. Now I can't come back. My only hope is that the law can be loosened. Looks like I'll be headed elsewhere.

P.S. If you are an arsonist or have whatever on your record, you can come to Korea and teach as long as you're a kyopo or have an F visa for any reason. So these new regulations aren't exactly keeping "criminals" from teaching children, it's just more job discrimination for those who don't have Korean blood or aren't married to a Korean.

[jrwhite82]

If you are an F visa holder, you still need a background check to work in public schools.

I think they should make the same policy for Hagwon's as well. But it is up to the hagwons themselves to implement it. The problem is that an F visa is not a "work visa." But it is a visa that allows you to work. So therefore it is on the employers to implement their own screening methods.

Sorry for your trouble's DJ Clae. But didn't you ever have some kind of alcohol/drug abuse lessons in your highschool that referenced the punishments for DUI? I find it hard to believe that you didn't know the punishment for receiving a DUI before you ever drove a car. Driver's ed course, health course, reading the new driver's manuel before taking your written test? These things were never mentioned during any of them?! Your state needs to wisen up and educate the teenagers there. Where I'm from, you have to take a mandatory drug and alcohol awareness class before even getting a license.

[Waygofet]

I heard that if you get it expunged from your record then you are good to go, is this not true? Because I thought that once something is expunged from your record that it no longer shows up so how could they hold something against you that they dont know about?

Besides that I'm not trying any sort of tricks or anything, it sounded like a legit way to go.

[OculisOrbis]

It's true and it is a legit way to go.