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tomato



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:19 am    Post subject: insincere songwriters Reply with quote

The composer of Home on the Range lived in a Manhattan condominium.

The composer of Dixie was a Yankee.

The composer of The Battle Hymn of the Republic was a Southerner.

The composer of the South Korean national anthem immigrated to the United States.

Stephen Foster never even saw the Swanee River.
He only got the name from a map.

The composer of Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, Holly Jolly Christmas, and Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree was Jewish.

Now doesn't that destroy your faith in humanity?
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NYC_Gal 2.0



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dixie was a song made to mock southerners. It's got a nice tune to it, though.
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InDaGu



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote:
Dixie was a song made to mock southerners. It's got a nice tune to it, though.


It was also Abe Lincoln's favorite song, and played at his inauguration.
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NYC_Gal 2.0



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great fact. Thanks! I didn't know that Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I knew I'd get to put that History degree to good use some day.
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diver



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joni Mitchell never made it to Woodstock.
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erasmus



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:12 pm    Post subject: Re: insincere songwriters Reply with quote

tomato wrote:
Now doesn't that destroy your faith in humanity?


Not at all. It shows the power of the imagination. It also supports Stephin Merritt's insistence that sincerity in music is overrated. A well-made song needn't be dredged up from the depths of the human soul or even be directly related to one's own experience. Kafka never step foot in Amerika and Shakespeare didn't live in ancient Rome (or any number of other places he wrote about).

Anyways, thanks. Interesting facts.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Who's Afraid of the Big, Bad Wolf" was Hitler's favorite song.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The composer of Home on the Range lived in a Manhattan condominium.


Born in Rutland, Ohio, the grandson of Rutland's founder Brewster Higley IV,[3] Higley VI began studying medicine at La Porte Medical College in La Porte, Indiana at the age of eighteen. After graduating in 1849, he resettled in Pomeroy, Ohio and established his first medical practice.[3] He briefly practiced medicine in Indiana and finally moved to Kansas in 1871 to claim land under the Homestead Act of 1862.[3][4]
Brewster spent most of his remaining days in Kansas, but died in Shawnee, Oklahoma in 1911, where he is buried in Fairview Cemetery. A great-grandson, Warren Higley, lived from 1922-2006. And great-grandson Nathaniel Infante became inspired by Michael Jackson when they worked together. When young Nathaniel found out about the death of Michael he was very emotional. Nathaniel now lives in Columbia, SC, goes to school at Summit Parkway Middle School, and lives with brothers and parents.





The composer of Dixie was a Yankee.

OHIO


The composer of The Battle Hymn of the Republic was a Southerner.


Julia Ward Howe (May 27, 1819 � October 17, 1910) was a prominent American abolitionist, social activist, and poet most famous as the author of "The Battle Hymn of the Republic".
Born Julia Ward in New York City, she was the fourth of seven children born to Samuel Ward (May 1, 1786 � November 27, 1839) and Julia Rush Cutler. Among her siblings was Samuel Cutler Ward. Her father was a well-to-do banker. Her mother, granddaughter of William Greene (August 16, 1731 � November 30, 1809), Governor of Rhode Island and his wife Catharine Ray, died when Julia was five.



The composer of the South Korean national anthem immigrated to the United States.

Ahn Eak-tai was born in the northern part of the Korean peninsula just before the Japanese occupation, and attended a school staffed by Catholic missionaries. There he developed an interest in music as he played a trumpet in the school orchestra. He received his higher education from the Kunitachi Music School in Japan, at the University of Cincinnati, and at the Curtis Institute of Music in the United States during the Great Depression. Ahn continued his study at Vienna under Bernhard Paumgartner, and under Professor Zoltan Kodaly at the E�tv�s Lor�nd University in Hungary. Upon a second visit to Vienna, Ahn received assistance from Richard Strauss to bring Symphonic Fantasy Korea to near completion. Beginning with a concert in Budapest, Ahn spent the next five years conducting in Europe. The escalation of World War II brought Ahn to Spain, where he met Lolita Talavera, his future wife. After their marriage in 1946, the two moved to the United States, where Ahn conducted the Philadelphia Orchestra. Then, in 1955, Ahn returned to South Korea, and conducted the Seoul Philharmonic until his death.



Stephen Foster never even saw the Swanee River. He only got the name from a map.


"Swanee" is an American popular song written in 1919 by George Gershwin, with lyrics by Irving Caesar. It is most often associated with singer Al Jolson.
The song was written for a New York City revue called Demi-Tasse, which opened in October 1919 in the Capitol Theater. Caesar and Gershwin, who was then aged 20, claimed to have written the song in about ten minutes riding on a bus in Manhattan, and then at Gershwin's apartment. It was written partly as a parody of Stephen Foster's "Old Folks at Home". It was originally used as a big production number, with 60 chorus girls dancing with electric lights in their slippers on an otherwise darkened stage.


The composer of Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, Holly Jolly Christmas, and Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree was Jewish.
True!


Now doesn't that destroy your faith in humanity?



No.
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BaldTeacher



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Almost everything Tupac said was a drunken lie or embellishment.

Before he became famous, he was a ballerina with questionable sexuality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrD-Yp3a-dY
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Louis VI



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:53 am    Post subject: Re: insincere songwriters Reply with quote

tomato wrote:
The composer of Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, Holly Jolly Christmas, and Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree was Jewish.

Rudolph, like a Jewish kid surrounded by Christians, was different and laughed at but one day they needed him. Similarly the Jewish writer of Superman comics had a mild mannered bookish-looking guy transform into the ubermensch!

A Holly Jolly Christmas is about "a cup of good cheer", "say hello... to everyone you meet" and "somebody waits for you; kiss"... all pretty good efforts at secularizing the birth of Jesus holiday.

And Rocking around the Christmas Tree also makes Xmas into essentially a time of kissing, dancing, singing and eating:

"Mistletoe hung where you can see
Ev'ry couple tries to stop

Everyone's dancing merrily
In a new old fashioned way

Let the Christmas Spirit ring
Later we'll have some pumpkin pie
and we'll do some caroling"

tomato wrote:
Now doesn't that destroy your faith in humanity?

It re-affirms the idea that belief is conditioned by one's experiences and that we interpret reality through a lens, each of a perspective we come from. You may see a Jew writing Christmas songs as somehow fraudulent or lacking integrity, but it in fact re-enforces my faith in humanity to adapt one's understanding to fit whatever situation one is in or however different a culture one may discover, that no matter how starkly antagonistic may be the beliefs and cultural events of another (birth of Jesus celebration to a Jew), that there is a way to GET ALONG and see things in a shared way without sacrificing one's base values. It gives hope to humanity. It's a refusal to see the Other as alien; it's an attempt to identify, to have empathy, within a context one can appreciate, looking for common ground.

I wish I was in Dixie", the song about a freed black slave living in the North who pines for the plantation of his birth, written by a sympathetic caucasian Northerner. Further, Dixie itself may have been about a farm on Long Island, NY, re-interpreted by Southerners who identified with much of the song, turning Dixie's Land into a new term for the South, Dixieland. (Besides, let's not forget that music is art and as such is open to all kinds of meaning.)

"Home on the Range" is so bloody nostalgic that it makes total sense that it's written by someone who lived mostly in a city: "Where the air is so pure, the zephyrs so free/The breezes so balmy and light". Where the antelope play? It's a childish perspective on country life, an attempt to imagine oneself appreciating a different way of life by putting oneself in their shoes with sincerity, identifying with them. No hypocrisy here.

Just as having a Southerner sing: "Say, brothers, will you meet us / on Canaan's happy shore?" was talking about Canaan, a biblical reference to the Israelite conquest of the Promised Land, the entire song being about glory to the Lord, a God they share and the claiming of land they own. It was a campfire spiritual that united people, black people of the South, before it became a battle hymn of northern yankees, of jews and blacks and all god-glorifying people of the new world. That willingness and eagerness to find a commonality among differences, is about one of the best traits of humanity.

No contradictions or lack of faith in people generated by these facts for me.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:13 pm    Post subject: Re: insincere songwriters Reply with quote

tomato wrote:


Now doesn't that destroy your faith in humanity?


Not at all. The opposite in fact. It shows that people can think outside their own little life-bubble and use their imagination to create something not of their world.

Life affirming, in fact.
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Died By Bear



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You do realize that Tomato just re-posted a chain email that he got this morning. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Died By Bear wrote:
The composer of Home on the Range lived in a Manhattan condominium.


Born in Rutland, Ohio, the grandson of Rutland's founder Brewster Higley IV,[3] Higley VI began studying medicine at La Porte Medical College in La Porte, Indiana at the age of eighteen. After graduating in 1849, he resettled in Pomeroy, Ohio and established his first medical practice.[3] He briefly practiced medicine in Indiana and finally moved to Kansas in 1871 to claim land under the Homestead Act of 1862.[3][4]
Brewster spent most of his remaining days in Kansas, but died in Shawnee, Oklahoma in 1911, where he is buried in Fairview Cemetery. A great-grandson, Warren Higley, lived from 1922-2006. And great-grandson Nathaniel Infante became inspired by Michael Jackson when they worked together. When young Nathaniel found out about the death of Michael he was very emotional. Nathaniel now lives in Columbia, SC, goes to school at Summit Parkway Middle School, and lives with brothers and parents.





The composer of Dixie was a Yankee.

OHIO


The composer of The Battle Hymn of the Republic was a Southerner.


Julia Ward Howe (May 27, 1819 � October 17, 1910) was a prominent American abolitionist, social activist, and poet most famous as the author of "The Battle Hymn of the Republic".
Born Julia Ward in New York City, she was the fourth of seven children born to Samuel Ward (May 1, 1786 � November 27, 1839) and Julia Rush Cutler. Among her siblings was Samuel Cutler Ward. Her father was a well-to-do banker. Her mother, granddaughter of William Greene (August 16, 1731 � November 30, 1809), Governor of Rhode Island and his wife Catharine Ray, died when Julia was five.



The composer of the South Korean national anthem immigrated to the United States.

Ahn Eak-tai was born in the northern part of the Korean peninsula just before the Japanese occupation, and attended a school staffed by Catholic missionaries. There he developed an interest in music as he played a trumpet in the school orchestra. He received his higher education from the Kunitachi Music School in Japan, at the University of Cincinnati, and at the Curtis Institute of Music in the United States during the Great Depression. Ahn continued his study at Vienna under Bernhard Paumgartner, and under Professor Zoltan Kodaly at the E�tv�s Lor�nd University in Hungary. Upon a second visit to Vienna, Ahn received assistance from Richard Strauss to bring Symphonic Fantasy Korea to near completion. Beginning with a concert in Budapest, Ahn spent the next five years conducting in Europe. The escalation of World War II brought Ahn to Spain, where he met Lolita Talavera, his future wife. After their marriage in 1946, the two moved to the United States, where Ahn conducted the Philadelphia Orchestra. Then, in 1955, Ahn returned to South Korea, and conducted the Seoul Philharmonic until his death.



Stephen Foster never even saw the Swanee River. He only got the name from a map.


"Swanee" is an American popular song written in 1919 by George Gershwin, with lyrics by Irving Caesar. It is most often associated with singer Al Jolson.
The song was written for a New York City revue called Demi-Tasse, which opened in October 1919 in the Capitol Theater. Caesar and Gershwin, who was then aged 20, claimed to have written the song in about ten minutes riding on a bus in Manhattan, and then at Gershwin's apartment. It was written partly as a parody of Stephen Foster's "Old Folks at Home". It was originally used as a big production number, with 60 chorus girls dancing with electric lights in their slippers on an otherwise darkened stage.


The composer of Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, Holly Jolly Christmas, and Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree was Jewish.
True!


Now doesn't that destroy your faith in humanity?



No.


well, i guess that pretty much ends any further discussion.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BaldTeacher wrote:
Almost everything Tupac said was a drunken lie or embellishment.

Before he became famous, he was a ballerina with questionable sexuality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrD-Yp3a-dY


I think most rappers stretch the truth a little bit. I was shocked to find out that Vanilla Ice was in fact a lying, suburban wigger - rather than the seasoned gangster he claimed to be.
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