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Stalin84
Joined: 30 Dec 2009
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Overrated: Bachelors' Degree
Underrated: Experience |
You really think this still applies? Maybe ten to fifteen years ago but definitely not now.
Most employers these days don't give a flying crap about someone with a Bachelor's Degree and if they're going to hire someone it's going to be someone with four years experience in the field over someone with four years experience sitting in lectures. |
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BaldTeacher
Joined: 02 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Underrated: Phil Collins |
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rumdiary
Joined: 05 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Stalin84 wrote: |
| carleverson wrote: |
Overrated: Bachelors' Degree
Underrated: Experience |
You really think this still applies? Maybe ten to fifteen years ago but definitely not now.
Most employers these days don't give a flying crap about someone with a Bachelor's Degree and if they're going to hire someone it's going to be someone with four years experience in the field over someone with four years experience sitting in lectures. |
Sounds like you agreed, but didn't realize it. |
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conrad2
Joined: 05 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Overrated: Nimitz |
Nimitz overrated? Oh no you didn't.
Overrated: Macarthur
Underrrated: Ridgeway |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Stalin84 wrote: |
| carleverson wrote: |
Overrated: Bachelors' Degree
Underrated: Experience |
You really think this still applies? Maybe ten to fifteen years ago but definitely not now.
Most employers these days don't give a flying crap about someone with a Bachelor's Degree and if they're going to hire someone it's going to be someone with four years experience in the field over someone with four years experience sitting in lectures. |
Most good employers won't hire anyone without a BA. A BA shows staying power, if nothing else. A MA is the new BA, anyway. Just like you needed a high school diploma years ago to find a job. Now you need the BA PLUS experience, hence the internships that many of us took, as well as the jobs we held whilst attending university. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Overrated: Nimitz |
Nimitz overrated? Oh no you didn't.
Overrated: Macarthur
Underrrated: Ridgeway |
Nimitz benefited from great subordinates such as Spruance. Given the domination of American production and airplane quality it would have taken someone truly inept to loose the Pacific, and even then....
de Ruyter would fall under the category of underrated for admiralty imho. |
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carleverson
Joined: 04 Dec 2009
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Overrated: mandoo
Underrated: shrimp egg rolls |
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Louis VI
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
Location: In my Kingdom
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overrated: sweet
underrated: sour |
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rumdiary
Joined: 05 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| Stalin84 wrote: |
| carleverson wrote: |
Overrated: Bachelors' Degree
Underrated: Experience |
You really think this still applies? Maybe ten to fifteen years ago but definitely not now.
Most employers these days don't give a flying crap about someone with a Bachelor's Degree and if they're going to hire someone it's going to be someone with four years experience in the field over someone with four years experience sitting in lectures. |
Most good employers won't hire anyone without a BA. A BA shows staying power, if nothing else. A MA is the new BA, anyway. Just like you needed a high school diploma years ago to find a job. Now you need the BA PLUS experience, hence the internships that many of us took, as well as the jobs we held whilst attending university. |
This just is not true. There are very, very few places that would hire a person with a B.A over a person with 4 years experience. The only exceptions that come to mind are ESL teacher in Korea and substitute teacher in the U.S. And when you look at how many losers end up here, it's easy to see why. A BA doesn't really show staying power. It's pretty easy to get one and many 18 years olds prefer being a student to working a 9-5 job and end up milking that ride for 5+ years. 4 years at the same job shows much more staying power. |
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carleverson
Joined: 04 Dec 2009
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overrated: jerry
underrated: tom |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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Most good employers won't hire anyone without a BA. A BA shows staying power, if nothing else. A MA is the new BA, anyway. Just like you needed a high school diploma years ago to find a job. Now you need the BA PLUS experience, hence the internships that many of us took, as well as the jobs we held whilst attending university. |
This just is not true. There are very, very few places that would hire a person with a B.A over a person with 4 years experience. The only exceptions that come to mind are ESL teacher in Korea and substitute teacher in the U.S. And when you look at how many losers end up here, it's easy to see why. A BA doesn't really show staying power. It's pretty easy to get one and many 18 years olds prefer being a student to working a 9-5 job and end up milking that ride for 5+ years. 4 years at the same job shows much more staying power. |
Try reading my post again. You missed the main point. I bolded it for you.
It IS easy to get a BA. Anyone who doesn't get one clearly doesn't even have the minimal staying power required for a professional job. When I was interviewing for my replacement when I was leaving the states, I only looked at candidates who had at least a BA and 4 years of experience.
Of course, I'm not talking about retail or fast food.
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carleverson
Joined: 04 Dec 2009
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overrated: keyboard
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rumdiary
Joined: 05 Jun 2006
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| rumdiary wrote: |
| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
Most good employers won't hire anyone without a BA. A BA shows staying power, if nothing else. A MA is the new BA, anyway. Just like you needed a high school diploma years ago to find a job. Now you need the BA PLUS experience, hence the internships that many of us took, as well as the jobs we held whilst attending university. |
This just is not true. There are very, very few places that would hire a person with a B.A over a person with 4 years experience. The only exceptions that come to mind are ESL teacher in Korea and substitute teacher in the U.S. And when you look at how many losers end up here, it's easy to see why. A BA doesn't really show staying power. It's pretty easy to get one and many 18 years olds prefer being a student to working a 9-5 job and end up milking that ride for 5+ years. 4 years at the same job shows much more staying power. |
Try reading my post again. You missed the main point. I bolded it for you.
It IS easy to get a BA. Anyone who doesn't get one clearly doesn't even have the minimal staying power required for a professional job. When I was interviewing for my replacement when I was leaving the states, I only looked at candidates who had at least a BA and 4 years of experience.
Of course, I'm not talking about retail or fast food. |
I still think it's pretty rare for employers to give a shit about a BA. They are so easy to get it just doesn't prove much to an employer. If an employer really needs brainpower they will find someone with a masters degree and if they want a reliable, hardworker they will take a person who held the same job for four+ years. But you're right, if you have both it can be an advantage. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 1:20 am Post subject: |
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| rumdiary wrote: |
| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
Most good employers won't hire anyone without a BA. A BA shows staying power, if nothing else. A MA is the new BA, anyway. Just like you needed a high school diploma years ago to find a job. Now you need the BA PLUS experience, hence the internships that many of us took, as well as the jobs we held whilst attending university. |
This just is not true. There are very, very few places that would hire a person with a B.A over a person with 4 years experience. The only exceptions that come to mind are ESL teacher in Korea and substitute teacher in the U.S. And when you look at how many losers end up here, it's easy to see why. A BA doesn't really show staying power. It's pretty easy to get one and many 18 years olds prefer being a student to working a 9-5 job and end up milking that ride for 5+ years. 4 years at the same job shows much more staying power. |
Try reading my post again. You missed the main point. I bolded it for you.
It IS easy to get a BA. Anyone who doesn't get one clearly doesn't even have the minimal staying power required for a professional job. When I was interviewing for my replacement when I was leaving the states, I only looked at candidates who had at least a BA and 4 years of experience.
Of course, I'm not talking about retail or fast food. |
I still think it's pretty rare for employers to give a shit about a BA. They are so easy to get it just doesn't prove much to an employer. If an employer really needs brainpower they will find someone with a masters degree and if they want a reliable, hardworker they will take a person who held the same job for four+ years. But you're right, if you have both it can be an advantage. |
They don't care about the BA, but they do care about the lack of a BA. I've never worked anywhere (outside of a retail job in high school and my government internship and office job during university, when they knew I was a full-time student) where they even considered hiring anyone without a BA. |
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Stalin84
Joined: 30 Dec 2009
Location: Haebangchon, Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 7:08 am Post subject: |
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It sucks that you have to have an MA to make more than 20k per year in the West. I wrote another post about this but I was told by the employment centre here to take my BA off my CV or else I wouldn't find a job. In this area, it overqualifies you for all the crappy jobs and... well, there are nothing but crappy jobs on this side of Canada. Don't think it's much different elsewhere.
All those nice suburbs you see? They're going to be divided into three or four apartments per unit in the next twenty years. |
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