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recessiontime
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Sergio Stefanuto
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| It's going to require immense political will to wean Europeans off the wealth that state arrogation provides for them. |
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rollo
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Not much future there. They had the immigrant labor and they did not know what to do with it. hard working folks looking for a better life and they really did not know how to integrate them into the society.
The E.U. was an interesting idea , economic central planning mixed with the free market, but in the end they chose central planning and the result; CRASH |
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UknowsI
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The EU was a good idea, but got crushed by bureaucracy and nations too eager to protect their own interests instead of actually making the EU a single free market. Can someone please tell me the necessity of spending 31% of the EU's budget on agriculture? Those subsidies are the opposite of the intention of the EU. The EU should never have tried to play the role of collecting and distributing money.
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chellovek
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
Not much future there. They had the immigrant labor and they did not know what to do with it. hard working folks looking for a better life and they really did not know how to integrate them into the society.
The E.U. was an interesting idea , economic central planning mixed with the free market, but in the end they chose central planning and the result; CRASH |
"Central Planning"? You mean there is some EU version of Gosplan setting production quotas for bolts, potatoes, tonnes of coal and what have you? Or are you referring to a harmonisation of product standards and other things pertaining to harmonisation amongst member-states? The latter is not central planning.
Also, "they" in regards to the EU leads me to believe you aren't from Europe, or at least not deeply acquainted with the crazy notion, which I have had to make before that Europe, Europeans, and the European Union or not a monolithic entity or people
Italy's problem with migration is very specific to the geographical location it holds as being a destination for African boat people who come accross and then try to vanish into society. I've lived in southern Spain and noticed a similar thing there, in addition to some rather unsavoury atittudes on part of locals towards Africans. Just on the BBC news website today I see Greece is building a fence on the Turkish border to keep out illegals. Problems in other countries are also rooted in their specific contexts- France and it's tradition of secularism particularly in the public sphere, Netherlands and bringing in illiberal Mussulmen into a liberal society, Britain's problems are rooted in the history of Empire and the Nationalities Act of the 1950s in addition to more racy contemporary foreign policy desicions. *takes breath*  
Also, Dear Old Serge, I gather you're British and getting on for middle age? So I guess as a youngster being raised before rampant right-wingery really got underway, the welfare state did nothing to help you out? Or if it did, I trust you'll be sending the Chancellor of Exchequer a cheque from Saudi Arabia to pay for services the state rendered to you in the past? Or was your suck at the teat as a child different than that of people now? [/i] |
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Sergio Stefanuto
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Also, Dear Old Serge, I gather you're British and getting on for middle age? |
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| So I guess as a youngster being raised before rampant right-wingery really got underway, the welfare state did nothing to help you out? |
We must strive, with every fiber of our being, towards self-efficacy |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Those subsidies are the opposite of the intention of the EU. |
The EU was in large part designed by the French to ensure their inefficient agricultural sector was subsidized with mostly German money. Thus, they are very much the intention of the EU. |
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UknowsI
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If you mean French intentions, you're right. But I don't think that's what the rest of Europe hoped to get out of it, and as we can see now, that was not a very sustainable goal. I was once charmed by what the EU could have been, but my feelings soon went sour when I found out what the spending actually were used on.
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chellovek
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
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| Also, Dear Old Serge, I gather you're British and getting on for middle age? |
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Then my apologies |
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caniff
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
| We must strive, with every fiber of our being, towards maximizing corporate profits. |
In other words?
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mises
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