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Nowhere Man
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If you're talking about total government transparency, you're talking about the thought police.
Barack Obama cannot write a single thing and cannot say anything lest it be documented and broadcast to the entire world.
Hmm...Obama's kind of screwed, no?
No, he isn't. Up to the leaks we have, what will ensue is a cone of secrecy!
The government has an entire classification system protected by law that was breached due to indiscretion. Kiss that goodbye.
There will be no telescreens in the room next time Hillary has a beef with UK troops or Gordon Brown is labeled a nitwit.
Nope. Killing Assange should be off the table simply because Wikileaks is being neutralized as we speak.
All intelligence is being taken another further degree under the table. I think we know that just as everybody knew the contents of the diplomatic cables that were leaked.
It won't happen again, and it's a harsh price to pay for one dude's 15 minutes.
Which returns us to Assange. First off, he says governments should be entitled to secrecy. We have yet to see how he reconciles that with his actions.
Speaking of which, he's set a "time bomb" of information to protect himself. In other words, he's withholding information to protect himself.
Bull hockey. Out with it. So what? If he never gets tried, we don't get to know what he's holding? He's the same as any government that, according to some, isn't entitled to secrecy.
Government vs random hacker dude
Who is and isn't entitled to secrecy?
Spare any BS about good intentions.
So, to wrap up:
-Ridiculous notions of disallowing government secrecy are only going to create a worse, more vile strain of the same thing.
-Ultimately, WL is withholding information. I have yet to see how armchair quarterbacks reconcile the withholding of some random guy with that of the government.
What possible information is Assange justifiably withholding from American voters? |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| The government has an entire classification system protected by law that was breached due to indiscretion. |
Breached due to incredible ineptitude you mean.
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| All intelligence is being taken another further degree under the table. |
Perhaps they might not put all this intelligence on a database available worldwide to thousands of low security clearance personnel? Fine. You'd think anyone with half a brain would have had tighter security to begin with.
And what's your point anyway? We shouldn't have this information because our having it makes it harder to get this kind of information in future? Can't you see how bizarre this reasoning is? |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Breached due to incredible ineptitude you mean. |
Fair enough. I have no problem with that description.
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Perhaps they might not put all this intelligence on a database available worldwide to thousands of low security clearance personnel? Fine. You'd think anyone with half a brain would have had tighter security to begin with.
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I agree, but understand that the "anyone with half a brain" you describe=Simon Bar Sinister according to some.
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| And what's your point anyway? We shouldn't have this information because our having it makes it harder to get this kind of information in future? Can't you see how bizarre this reasoning is? |
I suppose this depends on your perspective of leaks previous to Assange and the impact his flippant "tossing it all out" (but withholding some major issues per himself to cover his own buttocks).
The Pentagon Papers now famously withheld negotiations with North Vietnam. The WL releases have not only not withheld private negotiations between governments, but seem to randomly expose everything, good or bad, in the name of "transparency".
But, if you're interested in transparency, then playing all your cards in one go doesn't bode well for future transparency. I don't find such a proposition bizarre at all.
If you have open channels to reveal wrongdoing, why squander them on anything and everything (all the while you're holding some secret bomb)?
This is an incredibly short-sighted strategy. Do you agree, or is that just bizarre? |
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Space Bar
Joined: 20 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:26 am Post subject: |
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Sweden aims to extradite WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange to the US - lawyer
Posted: 2011/01/13
From: Mathaba
Julian Assange`s lawyer in Britain has accused Swedish authorities of secretly planning to extradite the WikiLeaks founder to the United States, in an interview with a German newspaper to appear today.
Lawyer Mark Stephens told the weekly Die Zeit that he believed Swedish officials were cooperating with US authorities with an eye to extraditing Assange as soon as the Americans have built a criminal case against him.
"We are hearing that the Swedish are prepared to drop the rape charges against Julian as soon as the Americans demand his extradition," he said, citing sources in Washington and Stockholm.
Stephens called the Swedish charges against his client a "holding case" to buy time until the United States can prosecute him themselves over WikiLeaks' mass release of classified US documents.
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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Swiss whistleblower Rudolf Elmer plans to hand over offshore banking secrets of the rich and famous to WikiLeaks
He will disclose the details of 'massive potential tax evasion' before he flies home to stand trial over his actions
Rudolf Elmer in Mauritius Rudolf Elmer in Mauritius: �Well-known pillars of society will hold investment portfolios and may include houses, trading companies, artwork, yachts, jewellery, horses, and so on.� Photograph: Rene Soobaroyen for the Guardian
The offshore bank account details of 2,000 "high net worth individuals" and corporations � detailing massive potential tax evasion � will be handed over to the WikiLeaks organisation in London tomorrow by the most important and boldest whistleblower in Swiss banking history, Rudolf Elmer, two days before he goes on trial in his native Switzerland.
British and American individuals and companies are among the offshore clients whose details will be contained on CDs presented to WikiLeaks at the Frontline Club in London. Those involved include, Elmer tells the Observer, "approximately 40 politicians". |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jan/16/swiss-whistleblower-rudolf-elmer-banks?cat=media&type=article
I doubt we'll ever see the names. Interesting, though. |
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Space Bar
Joined: 20 Oct 2010
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The WikiWeek: January 21, 2011
THE CABLES
AMERICAS
U.S. officials worried about the return to Haiti of Jean-Claude "Baby-Doc" Duvalier back in 2006. (Duvalier returned to the country this week.)
Guatemalan President �lvaro Colom doesn't think Rigoberta Mench� exists.
EUROPE/CAUCASUS
BP's top Russia executive has his doubts about the survival of the company's partnership with Russian oil firm Rosneft.
MIDDLE EAST
Turkey allowed the United States to use one of its airbases for rendition flights.
Condoleezza Rice wanted U.S. diplomats in the Middle East to gather intelligence on Israeli communications technology and Palestinian leaders.
American diplomats were ambivalent about deposed Tunisian President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, and alarmed by the growing opposition to him.
U.S. diplomats in Turkey fretted about a military backlash after the arrest of several officers in an alleged coup plot last year.
THE NEWS
Julian Assange is planning to release details on 2,000 offshore bank accounts, which he says contain evidence of serious tax evasion and money laundering. Swiss authorities are now mulling filing related charges against his source, former Swiss Banker Rudolf Elmer, who was already found guilty on Wednesday of breaking other banking secrecy laws.
Alleged Assange source Pfc. Bradley Manning is placed on suicide watch; his lawyer says he's being mistreated at the Marine Corps jail.
The State Department has made a big deal about the havoc caused by WikiLeaks, but privately officials tell congressional staffers the leaks were "embarrassing but not damaging."
Assange still has a lot of supporters in his home country of Australia.
Assange is slated to get the Hollywood treatment. (The FP newsroom votes for this guy.)
The Pentagon wants U.S. military personnel to get rid of any WikiLeaks files they might have on their computers.
Russian WikiLeaks knockoff RuLeaks posts pictures of Vladimir Putin's Black Sea estate.
French lawyers are using WikiLeaks cables to argue for the acquittal of five Guant�namo detainees.
Swedish Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt says that Assange's extradition is a judicial matter, and that his government won't be involved in the decision.
An investigative firm alleges WikiLeaks skims documents off of file-sharing networks.
Zimbabwe's attorney general is considering pursuing treason charges against more government officials based on WikiLeaks cables.
WikiLeaks volunteer Jacob Applebaum is detained at an airport again.
A German CEO is out of a job after calling Europe's multi-billion-dollar Galileo satellite system (on which his company was working) a "stupid idea" in a WikiLeaked cable. (If you're keeping track, this is officially the first time WikiLeaks has caused trouble in space.)
Libya's Muammar al-Qaddafi is not a WikiLeaks fan, and blames the site for the fall of Tunisian strongman Ben Ali. (The State Department disagrees.)
THE BIG PICTURE
WikiLeaks was supposed to have extensive safeguards for its whistleblowers -- so why are so many of them ending up in jail?
What the WikiLeaks cables tell us about Iran's nuclear ambitions.
The Tunisian uprising wasn't a WikiLeaks revolution, but it does help us understand how technology can and can't help spread democracy.
At last, someone thought to ask Miss America what she thinks about WikiLeaks.
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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The United States is working to undermine France:
http://www.wikileaks.fi/cable/2010/01/10PARIS58.html
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Classified By: Ambassador Charles H. Rivkin
Our aim is to engage the French population at all levels in order to amplify France�s efforts to realize its own egalitarian ideals, thereby advancing U.S. national interests.
we will continue and intensify our work with French museums and educators to reform the history curriculum taught in French schools, so that it takes into account the role and perspectives of minorities in French history.
we will build on the expansive Public Diplomacy programs already in place at post, and develop creative, additional means to influence the youth of France, employing new media, corporate partnerships, nationwide competitions, targeted outreach events, especially invited U.S. Guests.
We will also develop new tools to identify, learn from, and influence future French leaders.
we will support, train, and engage media and political activists who share our values.
we will continue our project of sharing best practices with young leaders in all fields, including young political leaders of all moderate parties so that they have the toolkits and mentoring to move ahead. We will create or support training and exchange programs that teach the enduring value of broad inclusion to schools, civil society groups, bloggers, political advisors, and local politicians. Through outreach programs, Embassy officers from all sections will interact and communicate to these same groups our best practices in creating equal opportunities for all Americans. We will also provide tools for teaching tolerance to the network of over 1,000 American university students who teach English in French schools every year.
Finally, a Minority Working Group will integrate the discourse, actions, and analysis of relevant sections and agencies in the Embassy. This group, working in tandem with the Youth Outreach Initiative, will identify and target influential leaders and groups among our primary audiences. It will also evaluate our impact over the course of the year, by examining both tangible and intangible indicators of success. Tangible changes include a measurable increase in the number of minorities leading and participating in public and private organizations, including elite educational institutions; growth in the number of constructive efforts by minority leaders to organize political support both within and beyond their own minority communities; new, proactive policies to enhance social inclusion adopted by non-minority political leaders; expansion of inter-communal and inter-faith exchanges at the local level; decrease in popular support for xenophobic political parties and platforms. While we could never claim credit for these positive developments, we will focus our efforts in carrying out activities, described above, that prod, urge and stimulate movement in the right direction. In addition, we will track intangible measures of success � a growing sense of belonging, for example, among young French minorities, and a burgeoning hope that they, too, can represent their country at home, and abroad, even one day at the pinnacle of French public life, as president of the Republic. |
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Space Bar
Joined: 20 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:34 am Post subject: |
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WikiLeaks rival goes live as editors turn on Assange
Asher Moses
January 28, 2011
The breakaway leaking site formed by several WikiLeaks defectors has gone live early, ironically after the design of the site was leaked.
OpenLeaks, created by WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange's former right-hand man, Daniel Domscheit-Berg, promises to be a more democratic organisation than WikiLeaks and plans to work with other organisations, including media, to release documents publicly, as opposed to publishing them itself.
The world has known about OpenLeaks since late last year, when it was revealed that Mr Domscheit-Berg and Mr Assange had fallen out. Chat logs showed Mr Domscheit-Berg accusing Mr Assange of being autocratic and behaving like "some kind of emperor or slave trader", failing to consult his team on important decisions.
Swedish press had reported at the time that the OpenLeaks launch was imminent but it has evidently been a harder task than first imagined.
This week, long-time leak site Cryptome, which was launched a decade before WikiLeaks in 1996, published virtually the entire contents of the then hidden OpenLeaks website. That forced the site to go live in an "alpha" version, but organisers say they don't expect to begin leaking documents until the second half of the year.
Mr Domscheit-Berg has labelled Mr Assange a control freak and this was highlighted recently by a profile in Vanity Fair, which details the now fractured relationship between The Guardian newspaper and Mr Assange.
Mr Assange reportedly threatened to sue The Guardian editor Alan Rusbridger if he published documents leaked by WikiLeaks before Mr Assange was ready.
The New York Times executive editor Bill Keller is another media heavyweight who has fallen out with Mr Assange, describing him in a new feature article as "elusive, manipulative and volatile".
"We regarded Assange throughout as a source, not as a partner or collaborator, but he was a man who clearly had his own agenda," Keller wrote.
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rumdiary
Joined: 05 Jun 2006
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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http://original.antiwar.com/pilger/2011/03/09/the-so-called-guardians-of-free-speech/
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The Guardian paid WikiLeaks nothing for its treasure trove of leaks. Assange and WikiLeaks � not Leigh or Harding � are responsible for what the Guardian�s editor, Alan Rusbridger, calls "one of the greatest journalistic scoops of the last 30 years."
The Guardian has made clear it has no further use for Assange. He is a loose cannon who did not fit Guardianworld, who proved a tough, unclubbable negotiator. And brave. In the Guardian�s self-regarding book, Assange�s extraordinary bravery is excised. He becomes a figure of petty bemusement, an "unusual Australian" with a "frizzy-haired" mother, gratuitously abused as "callous" and a "damaged personality" that was "on the autistic spectrum."
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The canker here is not the far right but the paper-thin liberalism of those who guard the limits of free speech. The New York Times has distinguished itself by spinning and censoring the WikiLeaks material. "We are taking all [the] cables to the administration," said Bill Keller, the editor, "They�ve convinced us that redacting certain information would be wise." In an article by Keller, Assange is personally abused. At the Columbia School of Journalism on 3 February, Keller said, in effect, that the public could not be trusted with the release of further cables. This might cause a "cacophony." The gatekeeper has spoken. |
Assange must regret teaming up with the major papers. |
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Space Bar
Joined: 20 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:53 am Post subject: |
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US District Judge allows gov't seizure of Wikileaks' Twitter accounts
In Blow to Press Freedom, Justice Department Moves to Seize WikiLeaks Twitter Accounts
In a new blow to press freedom and internet users' privacy rights here in the heimat, Obama's Justice Department won a significant victory on Friday.
As part of the secret state's campaign against whistleblowers and transparency advocates, U.S. Magistrate Theresa Buchanan granted federal prosecutors access to WikiLeaks-related Twitter accounts.
The 20-page ruling, issued in U.S. District Court in Alexandria, Virginia, upheld government demands that it be allowed to seize the Twitter accounts of WikiLeaks supporters Birgitta J�nsd�ttir, a leftist member of the Icelandic parliament, computer security researcher Jacob Appelbaum and Rop Gonggrijp, the cofounder of the Dutch ISP XS4All.
J�nsd�ttir was specifically targeted for her role in helping WikiLeaks release the Collateral Murder video last year that exposed the wanton slaughter of a dozen people in the Iraqi suburb of New Baghdad, including two Reuters photojournalists, by a U.S. military Apache helicopter crew. Two children were also seriously wounded in the unprovoked attack.
The ruling also grants access to the Twitter accounts of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange and Bradley Manning, the imprisoned and tortured Army private indicted for "aiding the enemy" over his alleged leak of incriminating documents that disclosed state crimes, charges which carry a potential death penalty.
Meanwhile, the cyber-guerrilla collective Anonymous, responsible for the HBGary hack that revealed plans by the Bank of America and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce to target WikiLeaks and Chamber opponents, "has promised to avenge Manning, and wage a media war with the U.S. military," The Tech Herald reports.
Buchanan's ruling ordered that the micro-blogging site cough-up information to the government about what internet and email addresses are associated with the whistleblowers, as part of an "ongoing investigation" by a federal grand jury believed to be seeking criminal charges against WikiLeaks supporters.
The judge rejected arguments by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), and private attorneys representing the account holders, dismissing claims that there were First Amendment issues involved because the activists "have already made their Twitter posts and associations publicly available."
more at link
See also https://www.eff.org/press/archives/2011/03/11
Judge Buchanan's Ruling |
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