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oldfatfarang
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| I'm pretty sure that if your school is planning to hold camps than you have a winter camp budget. Whether or not you are allowed to use your discretion with how it is spent is up to your administrators. I wouldn't be surprised if they were using some "creative bookeeping" and that money was being used for other programs or .....well let's just leave it at other programs and not go there. |
Pretty sure there was a budget for my winter camp. Although I was told there wasn't. My guess is that it's going into winter break teaching salaries for the K teachers. I suppose it has to come from somewhere, but I still think not buying the kids some buns and sausages (for hot dog day) shows a pretty mean spirit (to kids that are giving up their vacations to 'study').
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southernman
Joined: 15 Jan 2010
Location: On the mainland again
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| I'm pretty sure that if your school is planning to hold camps than you have a winter camp budget. Whether or not you are allowed to use your discretion with how it is spent is up to your administrators. I wouldn't be surprised if they were using some "creative bookeeping" and that money was being used for other programs or .....well let's just leave it at other programs and not go there. |
Pretty sure there was a budget for my winter camp. Although I was told there wasn't. My guess is that it's going into winter break teaching salaries for the K teachers. I suppose it has to come from somewhere, but I still think not buying the kids some buns and sausages (for hot dog day) shows a pretty mean spirit (to kids that are giving up their vacations to 'study').
Good luck. |
The Korean teachers during my last winter camp were getting 35K for the classes they taught on top of their salaries. I thought that was just the standard rate. Not from the schools budget. They wre very surprised when I told them that I just received my usual salary |
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carleverson
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Most Koreans' lack of transparency is there for a reason. Most Koreans in business like to skim off the top, cheat, steal and take advantage of situations without losing face. Giving them the benefit of the doubt is like sticking your head in the sand and ignoring how corrupt their society is. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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Are you cool with any of your parents/students? Maybe find out fi they have to pay money to send their kids to camp. If you're having to pay for your own materials there could be some funny stuff going on. Maybe it's time the parents heard about what their money is going towards.
EDIT- Poster above, care to explain the cultural implications of all the financial chicanery and wikileaks type stuff that's been going on? I think corruption is a human trait, not one that is expressed in any great fashion in Korea or not expressed in the West. |
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crazy_arcade
Joined: 05 Nov 2006
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when I use to do this I did this at a Gyeonggi middle school:
1) submitted my plan along with an list of required items and cost for each item at E-mart and the local stationary store.
2) I would then setup a plan with her that at the end of a specified day, when all of my classes were completed I would leave school to do this.
3) The school finance administrator would then give me the school credit card for the shopping.
Now, if your school doesn't trust you very much, they will ask you to pay ahead of time. Just make sure you document everything and have all receipts. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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Thanks for all that advice.
Especially about keeping reciepts. I figured originally that I would buy the games and use them for my afterschool classes on a fortnightly program.
I have been now told that my school is one of the Gepik (we dont have a budget) schools and I am out of here. So if I buy the games (not the school) I will take them.
The school wouldn't know how to use them properly, from what I see. |
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Illysook
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I work for a Gepik school and I am finishing my camp this week. I used Breaking News English for a lot of simple lessons that my students enjoyed. We also used a few speeches off of American Rhetoric including MLK's I Have A Dream. My students are in High School. and they appreciated expanding their vocab within a context that made a certain amount of sense. If you are ambitious, you can transcribe interesting youtube videos so that the students can read the script as they watch. You may also be able to find scripts from popular TV episodes on-line. It's not hard to find TV episodes or portions of them that are entertaining, and/or make some kind of point about your own culture.
The only money I spent was for the day that we made brownies. It was the only day that all of my students showed up. |
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earthquakez
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:57 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Are you cool with any of your parents/students? Maybe find out fi they have to pay money to send their kids to camp. If you're having to pay for your own materials there could be some funny stuff going on. Maybe it's time the parents heard about what their money is going towards.
EDIT- Poster above, care to explain the cultural implications of all the financial chicanery and wikileaks type stuff that's been going on? I think corruption is a human trait, not one that is expressed in any great fashion in Korea or not expressed in the West. |
Steelrails - that poster may have expressed it in a blanket statement.
However, the statement was not without some relevance in Korea especially if you've been through situations like I have where schools did not give me a tax return or show tax information etc without metaphorically having to be dragged kicking and screaming to do it and there were shall we say some odd things going on, and where two of my public schools pocketed the excess fee of my officetel which was supposed to be given to me before I left but the manager at each place said the school would give it to me.
I personally know more foreigners than should be the case whose schools stiffed them at the conclusion of their contracts by shorting their pay in one way or another, including claiming that when they started their contract they were paid on the payday date as soon as it rolled around (they were not - they had to wait a month til their first pay) and this ended up costing them from 20 to 25 days of pay at the end of their contracts.
And we're talking about schools here, not high flying politicians or bigwigs. I did not go to posh schools in London, I went to very ordinary schools, but my language teachers such as the native French teachers were NEVER expected to pay for extra curricular camps, activities etc. The school paid that through the money they were granted by the education authorities.
I honestly haven't heard of any language teacher outside Korea being expected in the school system to provide materials to the school, bring so many things, give sweets and chocolate to the students (I was taught completely in French, no English but we didn't expect to be entertained in language class by the native teachers) and do what the schools should do and provide what the schools should provide as a matter of course.
Koreans seem to have slipped into bad habits here and it's not good for the Korean teachers, parents or students to see this as entitlement. I think it IS cultural - I've had it done when going to see school clubs perform their activities at city, provincial events etc. The K parents and their kids don't take snacks and drinks but will demand the foreigner turning up for the day gives their provisions to all.
All this 'the foreign teacher can bring it/do it/pay for it' makes Koreans look like users. |
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methdxman
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:07 am Post subject: |
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Are you cool with any of your parents/students? Maybe find out fi they have to pay money to send their kids to camp. If you're having to pay for your own materials there could be some funny stuff going on. Maybe it's time the parents heard about what their money is going towards.
EDIT- Poster above, care to explain the cultural implications of all the financial chicanery and wikileaks type stuff that's been going on? I think corruption is a human trait, not one that is expressed in any great fashion in Korea or not expressed in the West. |
Didn't you get the memo? Don't be bringing that logic stuff to the table.
Poster above is just an idiot. Let's call a spade a spade. |
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earthquakez
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 You wouldn't know logic if it came up and slapped you in the face. |
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Epik_Teacher
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Amazing what complete and total assholes Koreans are and continue to be! 6 more weeks and I'm out of that hellhole! I hope Korea crashes and burns, I really F'n do! Idiot drivers, rude, spoiled brat kids, stupid ajumas who knock you out of the way and cut in front of you, and all the rest of the stupid shit that makes Korea such a joke!
Personally, I'm rooting for the North to win! |
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some waygug-in
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Are you cool with any of your parents/students? Maybe find out fi they have to pay money to send their kids to camp. If you're having to pay for your own materials there could be some funny stuff going on. Maybe it's time the parents heard about what their money is going towards.
EDIT- Poster above, care to explain the cultural implications of all the financial chicanery and wikileaks type stuff that's been going on? I think corruption is a human trait, not one that is expressed in any great fashion in Korea or not expressed in the West. |
Steelrails - that poster may have expressed it in a blanket statement.
However, the statement was not without some relevance in Korea especially if you've been through situations like I have where schools did not give me a tax return or show tax information etc without metaphorically having to be dragged kicking and screaming to do it and there were shall we say some odd things going on, and where two of my public schools pocketed the excess fee of my officetel which was supposed to be given to me before I left but the manager at each place said the school would give it to me.
I personally know more foreigners than should be the case whose schools stiffed them at the conclusion of their contracts by shorting their pay in one way or another, including claiming that when they started their contract they were paid on the payday date as soon as it rolled around (they were not - they had to wait a month til their first pay) and this ended up costing them from 20 to 25 days of pay at the end of their contracts.
And we're talking about schools here, not high flying politicians or bigwigs. I did not go to posh schools in London, I went to very ordinary schools, but my language teachers such as the native French teachers were NEVER expected to pay for extra curricular camps, activities etc. The school paid that through the money they were granted by the education authorities.
I honestly haven't heard of any language teacher outside Korea being expected in the school system to provide materials to the school, bring so many things, give sweets and chocolate to the students (I was taught completely in French, no English but we didn't expect to be entertained in language class by the native teachers) and do what the schools should do and provide what the schools should provide as a matter of course.
Koreans seem to have slipped into bad habits here and it's not good for the Korean teachers, parents or students to see this as entitlement. I think it IS cultural - I've had it done when going to see school clubs perform their activities at city, provincial events etc. The K parents and their kids don't take snacks and drinks but will demand the foreigner turning up for the day gives their provisions to all.
All this 'the foreign teacher can bring it/do it/pay for it' makes Koreans look like users. |
Never hung out much with the foreign labor involved in 3D jobs huh? |
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Scamps
Joined: 01 Feb 2008
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My winter camp here at a public middle school in Gyeonggi-do was a bit of a mess too communication-wise. I could tell you all about it but it's over and I just want to forget it.
Anyway, about the board games, my school has like 10 copies each of Monopoly, Scrabble, Hallie Gallie, Twister, Pictionary, etc. I'm not sure where they got them but I think two good places to look would be Toys R Us (Jamsil, Guri and one other place) or Kidari (many locations) www.ikidari.co.kr
http://www.ikidari.co.kr/index.php?pgurl=shop/sh_goods_list&ctpose=ABB&ctno=683 <-- games |
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jb99
Joined: 16 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:44 am Post subject: |
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| carleverson wrote: |
| Most Koreans' lack of transparency is there for a reason. Most Koreans in business like to skim off the top, cheat, steal and take advantage of situations without losing face. Giving them the benefit of the doubt is like sticking your head in the sand and ignoring how corrupt their society is. |
That's a bit of a generalization, isn't it? |
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