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Important Info for Americans about US taxes
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naturegirl321



Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:15 pm    Post subject: Important Info for Americans about US taxes Reply with quote

Just an FYI, even if you live abroad and file the 2555 or 1116, you qualify for the Sch M, "making work pay" and could get up to $400.

"Schedule M: making work pay" is worth up to $400 and the only requirements are to be a US citizen (or resident alien) and not be a dependent on anyone else's taxes.
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Scamps



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never done my own taxes. My family handles it through the family accountant. Where do you find this information?
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T-J



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


MWP is a tax credit not a stimulus payment. How would it effect people who have no U.S. tax liability?

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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scamps wrote:
I've never done my own taxes. My family handles it through the family accountant. Where do you find this information?


Through the Sch M information and Sch M form at the IRS site.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don-t know. Read the instructions. It clearly says that people who file the 2555 are eligible. THe only ones who aren't are non resident aliens and those who are dependents on other people's forms.

Fill out the worksheet here.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1040sm.pdf

Read the instructions here
Who Can Take the Credit �
You may be able to take the credit if you have earned income from work. The credit can be as much as $400 ($800 if married filing jointly).
You cannot take the credit if:
� You are a nonresident alien,
� You can be claimed as a dependent on else�s return. (If you are married
and claim the making work pay credit on a 2010 joint return, neither you nor your spouse can be claimed as a dependent on anyone else�s 2010 return.)

I don-t make the rules, I just follow them.
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Scamps



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks!
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T-J



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


Again this is a tax credit not a refund or payment.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T-J wrote:
Again this is a tax credit not a refund or payment.


Not according to this
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040.pdf

It's in the Payment section, number 63 Making work pay credit. Attach Schedule M .
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T-J



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


Wow, that's screwy they put a credit in the payment section of the 1040. Looks at first glance like many would qualify for a return. God the U.S. Tax Code is fubar.

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nathanrutledge



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T-J wrote:

God the U.S. Tax Code is fubar.



Yes. Yes it is. I've always been stuck between two philosophical beliefs - libertarianism and Ricardian economics. As a libertarian, I don't want to take the money. It isn't mine, I didn't earn it. But the Ricardian in me says "Hey, buddy, they're going to tax you in the future to pay for this handout now. If you don't take it now, they'll still take money from you in the future."

I've been researching as much as I can to take as much money from the government as I can. They're going to stick me for it sooner or later, might as well get what I can!
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daxdefranco



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you use to file your taxes? In the past I've used efile on the HRBlock website, but i'm not sure if it's robust enough to handle non-standard forms, etc as it's free.
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T-J



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nathanrutledge wrote:
T-J wrote:

God the U.S. Tax Code is fubar.



Yes. Yes it is. I've always been stuck between two philosophical beliefs - libertarianism and Ricardian economics. As a libertarian, I don't want to take the money. It isn't mine, I didn't earn it. But the Ricardian in me says "Hey, buddy, they're going to tax you in the future to pay for this handout now. If you don't take it now, they'll still take money from you in the future."

I've been researching as much as I can to take as much money from the government as I can. They're going to stick me for it sooner or later, might as well get what I can!



Nail on the head. Actually I pay about 5,000 a year in property tax so I don't have too much of a problem with getting a break from that with a federal break. I'm not sure I would or could take it as a fresh out of college person that has yet to contribute substantially in way of taxes. You bring up an interesting perspective about future taxes to be paid�and taking what breaks are offered when they are�

Our tax system is still in need of a complete overhaul�
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northway



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nathanrutledge wrote:
T-J wrote:

God the U.S. Tax Code is fubar.



Yes. Yes it is. I've always been stuck between two philosophical beliefs - libertarianism and Ricardian economics. As a libertarian, I don't want to take the money. It isn't mine, I didn't earn it. But the Ricardian in me says "Hey, buddy, they're going to tax you in the future to pay for this handout now. If you don't take it now, they'll still take money from you in the future."

I've been researching as much as I can to take as much money from the government as I can. They're going to stick me for it sooner or later, might as well get what I can!


Libertarian, socialist, and everything in between, the current tax code doesn't do anyone any good.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know, the IRS is screwy, BUT, if you only have income via the 2555, then you can-t get the money. Here are some ways that you should be able to get it.

1. You file the 2555 via the bonafide resident, but it's only good for a portion of the year.
2. You get out of Korean taxes, but are eligible for the 2555 becuase you can't file as physical present since you spent more than 35 days in the US and can-t file as bonafide resident because you get out of KOrean taxes, so therefore owe US taxes
3. You have income from Sch C
4. You have income from the Sch M worksheet, number 2
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

daxdefranco wrote:
What do you use to file your taxes? In the past I've used efile on the HRBlock website, but i'm not sure if it's robust enough to handle non-standard forms, etc as it's free.


Turbotax, but you-d have to pay. I-m sure with HRBlock they have it, but you have to pay as well.
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