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Is Law School a Losing Game?
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Kuros



Joined: 27 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, if you are playing law school like a game, you will probably lose. This thread is full of good comments.

I am a 3L at a value state school. Those of you who are in Korea now planning to go to law school actually are in a pretty good position. Your experience abroad may get you a partial scholarship (you'll still need to add that to either great grades or a solid LSAT score). You should be saving enough money to stow away for your first year. I would recommend going back to your state of residency and applying to a public school there. You want to be in-state. Your goal will be to have the first year totally paid for. Hopefully you can get employed by your second year when you start taking loans. Its very hard to get very many Stafford Subsidized loans the first year, and those are the ones you really want because the interest doesn't accrue.

Just get the frakking degree, and try to make the upper half of the class.

But then again, maybe you shouldn't listen to me. I don't have a job lined up, but its near impossible to do so these days without your passing results on the bar exam in hand. I do know graduates in my former class (I took a year off) who have found jobs. I would say most haven't.

Its very bleak and I don't read the blogs.
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Scruffey



Joined: 08 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for those blogs mises.

Some of those are a pretty good read.
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mises



Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired

PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
Yes, if you are playing law school like a game, you will probably lose. This thread is full of good comments.

I am a 3L at a value state school. Those of you who are in Korea now planning to go to law school actually are in a pretty good position. Your experience abroad may get you a partial scholarship (you'll still need to add that to either great grades or a solid LSAT score). You should be saving enough money to stow away for your first year. I would recommend going back to your state of residency and applying to a public school there. You want to be in-state. Your goal will be to have the first year totally paid for. Hopefully you can get employed by your second year when you start taking loans. Its very hard to get very many Stafford Subsidized loans the first year, and those are the ones you really want because the interest doesn't accrue.

Just get the frakking degree, and try to make the upper half of the class.

But then again, maybe you shouldn't listen to me. I don't have a job lined up, but its near impossible to do so these days without your passing results on the bar exam in hand. I do know graduates in my former class (I took a year off) who have found jobs. I would say most haven't.

Its very bleak and I don't read the blogs.


After the bar, given your language abilities and international experience, I strongly doubt you'll have problems finding work.

Most students are just average. The legal market will punish average people.
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goniff



Joined: 31 Dec 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the moral of this tale is:

don't spend a fortune on some joke useless degree

from a podunk two bit university...
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NohopeSeriously



Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's not forget that American-style law schools in South Korea are losing supports.
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

goniff wrote:
the moral of this tale is:

don't spend a fortune on some joke useless degree

from a podunk two bit university...


What's even more useless is the legions of people who don't want to go into law going to law school like lemmings.
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mises



Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired

PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yaya wrote:
goniff wrote:
the moral of this tale is:

don't spend a fortune on some joke useless degree

from a podunk two bit university...


What's even more useless is the legions of people who don't want to go into law going to law school like lemmings.


...they love the law. Don't we all?
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redaxe



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I for one welcome this trend. America has too many lawyers.
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

America should utilize its excess law graduates to begin implementation of a professional jury system. If we're going to have an excess of individuals educated in the law, we might as well put them to good use.
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cyui



Joined: 10 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WE should start an equal thread:"Is ESL a loosing game"?With the way things are going, I think that might very much be the case.

Who knows' though? Maybe what's left of it can keep stretching out for a few moreyears'..let' hope so, right?
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyui wrote:
WE should start an equal thread:"Is ESL a loosing game"?With the way things are going, I think that might very much be the case.

Who knows' though? Maybe what's left of it can keep stretching out for a few moreyears'..let' hope so, right?


Apples to oranges. The inputs required to teach ESL don't come anywhere near the inputs required to get a law degree.
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misher



Joined: 14 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
America should utilize its excess law graduates to begin implementation of a professional jury system. If we're going to have an excess of individuals educated in the law, we might as well put them to good use.


That is actually a damn good suggestion.
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redaxe



Joined: 01 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
America should utilize its excess law graduates to begin implementation of a professional jury system. If we're going to have an excess of individuals educated in the law, we might as well put them to good use.


the potential for corruption would be massive. every jury would be bought.
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mises



Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

redaxe wrote:
Fox wrote:
America should utilize its excess law graduates to begin implementation of a professional jury system. If we're going to have an excess of individuals educated in the law, we might as well put them to good use.


the potential for corruption would be massive. every jury would be bought.


It is a great idea. Sure, a jury could be bought but so can a cop. Pay them well and establish (and enforce) very tough rules/punishments.
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Koveras



Joined: 09 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's see if I understand. These law students are so lacking in common sense that they go into hundreds of thousands of debt to for a nearly unemployable degree, and now the suggestion is that we should reward them all with state jobs, because they're "experts".

That would add at least a million to the state payroll and would introduce pro-state, pro-corporate and unpredictable self-selection biases to the courts. There would be unions, strikes, and more law schools than ever. America would become even more absurdly legalistic than it already is.

There are too many lawyers in too much debt. The solution, from the point of view of economics and cultural health, is to let these idiots fail, and clamp down on usury.
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