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Kuros
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, if you are playing law school like a game, you will probably lose. This thread is full of good comments.
I am a 3L at a value state school. Those of you who are in Korea now planning to go to law school actually are in a pretty good position. Your experience abroad may get you a partial scholarship (you'll still need to add that to either great grades or a solid LSAT score). You should be saving enough money to stow away for your first year. I would recommend going back to your state of residency and applying to a public school there. You want to be in-state. Your goal will be to have the first year totally paid for. Hopefully you can get employed by your second year when you start taking loans. Its very hard to get very many Stafford Subsidized loans the first year, and those are the ones you really want because the interest doesn't accrue.
Just get the frakking degree, and try to make the upper half of the class.
But then again, maybe you shouldn't listen to me. I don't have a job lined up, but its near impossible to do so these days without your passing results on the bar exam in hand. I do know graduates in my former class (I took a year off) who have found jobs. I would say most haven't.
Its very bleak and I don't read the blogs. |
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Scruffey
Joined: 08 Feb 2010
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for those blogs mises.
Some of those are a pretty good read. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:19 am Post subject: |
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Yes, if you are playing law school like a game, you will probably lose. This thread is full of good comments.
I am a 3L at a value state school. Those of you who are in Korea now planning to go to law school actually are in a pretty good position. Your experience abroad may get you a partial scholarship (you'll still need to add that to either great grades or a solid LSAT score). You should be saving enough money to stow away for your first year. I would recommend going back to your state of residency and applying to a public school there. You want to be in-state. Your goal will be to have the first year totally paid for. Hopefully you can get employed by your second year when you start taking loans. Its very hard to get very many Stafford Subsidized loans the first year, and those are the ones you really want because the interest doesn't accrue.
Just get the frakking degree, and try to make the upper half of the class.
But then again, maybe you shouldn't listen to me. I don't have a job lined up, but its near impossible to do so these days without your passing results on the bar exam in hand. I do know graduates in my former class (I took a year off) who have found jobs. I would say most haven't.
Its very bleak and I don't read the blogs. |
After the bar, given your language abilities and international experience, I strongly doubt you'll have problems finding work.
Most students are just average. The legal market will punish average people. |
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goniff
Joined: 31 Dec 2007
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:26 am Post subject: |
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the moral of this tale is:
don't spend a fortune on some joke useless degree
from a podunk two bit university... |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:00 am Post subject: |
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| Let's not forget that American-style law schools in South Korea are losing supports. |
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Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| goniff wrote: |
the moral of this tale is:
don't spend a fortune on some joke useless degree
from a podunk two bit university... |
What's even more useless is the legions of people who don't want to go into law going to law school like lemmings. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
| goniff wrote: |
the moral of this tale is:
don't spend a fortune on some joke useless degree
from a podunk two bit university... |
What's even more useless is the legions of people who don't want to go into law going to law school like lemmings. |
...they love the law. Don't we all? |
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redaxe
Joined: 01 Dec 2008
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| I for one welcome this trend. America has too many lawyers. |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| America should utilize its excess law graduates to begin implementation of a professional jury system. If we're going to have an excess of individuals educated in the law, we might as well put them to good use. |
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cyui
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:12 am Post subject: |
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WE should start an equal thread:"Is ESL a loosing game"?With the way things are going, I think that might very much be the case.
Who knows' though? Maybe what's left of it can keep stretching out for a few moreyears'..let' hope so, right? |
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northway
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:07 am Post subject: |
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| cyui wrote: |
WE should start an equal thread:"Is ESL a loosing game"?With the way things are going, I think that might very much be the case.
Who knows' though? Maybe what's left of it can keep stretching out for a few moreyears'..let' hope so, right? |
Apples to oranges. The inputs required to teach ESL don't come anywhere near the inputs required to get a law degree. |
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misher
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| America should utilize its excess law graduates to begin implementation of a professional jury system. If we're going to have an excess of individuals educated in the law, we might as well put them to good use. |
That is actually a damn good suggestion. |
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redaxe
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| America should utilize its excess law graduates to begin implementation of a professional jury system. If we're going to have an excess of individuals educated in the law, we might as well put them to good use. |
the potential for corruption would be massive. every jury would be bought. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:40 am Post subject: |
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| redaxe wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| America should utilize its excess law graduates to begin implementation of a professional jury system. If we're going to have an excess of individuals educated in the law, we might as well put them to good use. |
the potential for corruption would be massive. every jury would be bought. |
It is a great idea. Sure, a jury could be bought but so can a cop. Pay them well and establish (and enforce) very tough rules/punishments. |
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Koveras
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:21 am Post subject: |
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Let's see if I understand. These law students are so lacking in common sense that they go into hundreds of thousands of debt to for a nearly unemployable degree, and now the suggestion is that we should reward them all with state jobs, because they're "experts".
That would add at least a million to the state payroll and would introduce pro-state, pro-corporate and unpredictable self-selection biases to the courts. There would be unions, strikes, and more law schools than ever. America would become even more absurdly legalistic than it already is.
There are too many lawyers in too much debt. The solution, from the point of view of economics and cultural health, is to let these idiots fail, and clamp down on usury. |
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