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E2 Visa VS F4
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choihowardchoi



Joined: 21 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:28 pm    Post subject: E2 Visa VS F4 Reply with quote

Hello I am getting ready to teach out in Korea and wanted to get some inputs on the visa choices.

I have a Bachelors degree and am a Citizen of the United States so I believe I qualitfy for the E2 visa. But only concern I have with this is that I have 2 juvenile record that still shows up on my Federal record. One charge was for petty theft and the other was for having a weapon on school campus. Embarassed Would this disqualify me from getting an E2 visa and teaching in Korea?

My other option is the F4 visa. My enitre family was born in Korea and recently became citizens of the U.S. We all gave up our Korean citizenship so I think I should be on the clear to get the F4 visa.

I am looking at two option and wanted to get some feedback to see which direction will work best for me.

One option is for me to apply with an agency and hope that my two juvenile record doesnt bar me from obtaining the E2 visa and getting a job.

The second option is to apply for the F4 visa and fly out to Korea and start searching for a job there.

Which option do you think will play out the best and will be the most time efficent? I was planning to head out to Korea no later than end of February.

Let me know what you guys think!! Very Happy
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Riker



Joined: 28 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weapons and theft charge?

Korean immigration should have no problem with that. I suggest you leave immediately... Rolling Eyes


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jrabernethy



Joined: 14 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there any reason not to get an f4 visa instead of an E2 if you qualify for one?
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Riker



Joined: 28 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have a 0% chance of teaching in the US with a weapons charge, how do you expect to teach somewhere else?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

E2 is not an option with a positive finding on your CRC. Your application would be denied without a 2nd look.

F4 is an option to getting to Korea and with an F4, the vast majority of employers won't check your CRC and immigration won't care.

The only place you might not be able to work would be in a PS. They often (but not always) request a CRC prior to employment (they certainly do if you go through one of the major recruitment programs (EPIK/GEPIK/etc.)).

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Riker



Joined: 28 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you not required to state on the F4 visa form your previous convictions / charges? I've never seen a visa application without it.


ttompatz, do you know someone who obtained an F4 visa with a weapons charge?
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Wiltern



Joined: 23 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you under 35? I think I read somewhere if you come on a F4, you may be required to serve in the military.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riker wrote:
Are you not required to state on the F4 visa form your previous convictions / charges? I've never seen a visa application without it.


ttompatz, do you know someone who obtained an F4 visa with a weapons charge?


Yes.

And there was also the case of David Nam who was here on an F4 and wanted in the US on murder charges.

There have also been cases of F4s with records in the states who were in fact registered sex offenders who came back to Korea to avoid the registry.

As bad as it sounds, Korea currently has a pretty much don't ask policy when it comes to returning blood (except from China).

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Riker



Joined: 28 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I stand corrected.

One more question though. Did they lie on their F4 application?

If the applicant lied, then this would be no more of a "pass" than an E2 who forges their background check.
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walterkim18



Joined: 07 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:30 pm    Post subject: F4 Experience Reply with quote

Sounds like you should go for your F4. I got mine a few years in the past and the procedure is fairly easy. You need to make sure that you, personally, have relinquished your Korean citizenship. After you are sure that you've relinquished your Korean Citizenship, which requires filling out a particular form, there's no way that you would have to do any army service. I don't recall any questions during the F4 visa process that asks about prior convictions, but then again since I don't have any this would be a hard question for me to actually recall. However, there are no background forms, pertaining to criminal records, required that could raise any flags. Actually, the F4 might be your lucky way of avoiding the need for any background checks at all, but there might be a few hagwons or recruiters that might want them. The F4 is sometimes an attractive visa for employers because they don't have to do much work to employ you legally. It seems like the E2 visa requires a ton of background and private information, so the F4 visa process would most likely be faster. There are plenty of jobs for F4 visa holders here and you can privately teach students legally, which I beleive E2 visa holders are unable to do legally.

Also, Korean Americans can now apply for Dual Korean American Citizenship, more complications than the F4 visa process, which could be an option for you. Good Luck


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walterkim18



Joined: 07 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jrabernethy wrote:
Is there any reason not to get an f4 visa instead of an E2 if you qualify for one?


In some sectors, especially English related, a completely foreign visa can be more appealing to employers. If someone has an F4 then the employers, usually at hagwons, can be a little turned off because of the Korean heritage or possibly the appearance of the candidate. An E2 visa might get them an interview, which is at least a better chance than getting turned away before you even get an interview.
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Riker



Joined: 28 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm very certain they will ask about prior convictions. I'm sure the OP could simply lie on the form and hope none of his employers ask for a background check.

If the OP is honest of the F4 visa form, I am sure they wouldn't issue the visa.
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walterkim18



Joined: 07 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riker wrote:
I'm very certain they will ask about prior convictions. I'm sure the OP could simply lie on the form and hope none of his employers ask for a background check.

If the OP is honest of the F4 visa form, I am sure they wouldn't issue the visa.


Lying on government forms is never a good idea. My employment experiences, with all the benefits of health insurance and lump sum pension refunds, never required any background checks whatsoever. The F4 visa was created to give those of Korean decent nearly the same benefits as a Korean Citizen, with the exception of voting etc., so a lot of the requirements that are pushed on "foreigners" are ignored.
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Joined: 09 Feb 2011

PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So... I'm confused about the F4 visa... I wanna come there and teach with F4.

Here is my situation. Im in the states, was born here, citizen here, unfortunately in this situation, a male.

1. Father's hojuk is still valid, he never renounced his citizenship from korea
2. I was born BEFORE he was naturalized in the US.
3. My mom got her citizenship here before I was born.
4. Im not on his hojuk, he never registered me.

I dont want to pay the visa cost if I have a good probability of getting denied my F4 visa. E2 visa is not an option due to various reasons.

Questions:

If I'm not on the Hojuk, then I'm not a citizen of Korea. So my concern is if I'm not on the hojuk, then theoretically I'm not a Korean citizen.

If my father renounces his citizenship now, can I get it after it's official?

If I use my mom's info, can I get it through those means? She was naturalized before I was born.

Thanks for your advice people!
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walterkim18



Joined: 07 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BackHOME wrote:
So... I'm confused about the F4 visa... I wanna come there and teach with F4.

Here is my situation. Im in the states, was born here, citizen here, unfortunately in this situation, a male.

1. Father's hojuk is still valid, he never renounced his citizenship from korea
2. I was born BEFORE he was naturalized in the US.
3. My mom got her citizenship here before I was born.
4. Im not on his hojuk, he never registered me.

I dont want to pay the visa cost if I have a good probability of getting denied my F4 visa. E2 visa is not an option due to various reasons.

Questions:

If I'm not on the Hojuk, then I'm not a citizen of Korea. So my concern is if I'm not on the hojuk, then theoretically I'm not a Korean citizen.

If my father renounces his citizenship now, can I get it after it's official?

If I use my mom's info, can I get it through those means? She was naturalized before I was born.

Thanks for your advice people!


You only need Korean ancestry, which I think means thats you don't actually have to have held Korean citizenship. If you're not on the Hojuk, then that means you should have no issues regarding mandatory korean army service. I don't think your father has to renounce his citizenship for you to be eligible for an F4. I would say just apply, it was only like $45 when I did it, especially if you feel you're ineligible for an E2. Also, check the Korean govt. websites concerning paperwork before you apply.
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