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Is it Really that Bad working as an ESL teacher in Korea??
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DosEquisXX



Joined: 04 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Job's kind of boring. But it sure isn't a lot of work, at least in public school.

Dave's often attracts the most cynical and miserable foreigners in Korea. So, don't take everything said here as if it's the norm. Most of the foreigners I knew are plenty happy being in country.
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chellovek



Joined: 29 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DosEquisXX wrote:
Job's kind of boring. But it sure isn't a lot of work, at least in public school.

Dave's often attracts the most cynical and miserable foreigners in Korea. So, don't take everything said here as if it's the norm. Most of the foreigners I knew are plenty happy being in country.


This is a Star Trek thread, stay on topic Laughing
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bobbybigfoot



Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It all depends on what you are looking for.

If you are looking for a meaningful job, then don't come to Korea.

If you are looking for some fast cash, it could be the place for you.

If you are looking to party it up, then Seoul is the place.

Just know that for the most part ESL in Korea is on the meaningless side. If you are cool with that, then come on over. Water's warm.
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ESL Milk "Everyday



Joined: 12 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't say it's an entirely meaningless job... if you do it right it can be kinda fun and there is a challenge in trying to keep things fresh and exciting for your students and yourself. The key is to not just teach the book and try to bring as much to the table as you possibly can... I don't know about anyone else but I'm given a lot of freedom in what I do so it means I'm doing a lot more independent research and coming up with my own ideas as opposed to just going through the motions.

But yeah, there is a lot of downtime in public schools and that can lead to too much thinking and Internet addiction and all of that stuff... and sometimes not doing anything can actually be worse than being super busy... and you can feel the whole routine-ness of it all to be a bit much sometimes.
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marsavalanche



Joined: 27 Aug 2010
Location: where pretty lies perish

PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are good jobs and bad jobs. Just be super picky and make sure you get a good job.

Don't be fooled by the amount of cynical people here. There are more good jobs than you think, but this place is flooded with bitterness and negativity which would suggest otherwise. Good luck.
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asylum seeker



Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This same thread with the same answers has been made on average about every two weeks for the last four years that I've been looking at these forums. Can't people read before they post?

It's pretty obvious what's going to be said for the next ten pages so I will summarize it now so we can let the thread die in peace until the next one in approximately 14 days.

Answer- "Everything's totally awesome in Korea- the only people who ever complain are lazy, psychotic, drug-abusing, ex-homeless, loser pedophiles who failed to get jobs at McDonald's in their home countries."

That about covers it I think.
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stimpleton



Joined: 17 Oct 2006
Location: Suwon

PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trying hard not to be cynical - I'm reaching the end of four and a half years here, and going home for good.
On balance, my time's been pretty good - met some good people, seen and done things I never would've if I'd been at home etc. That said, there are bad things too. My wife being 'downsized' two months after we'd signed on for a third year at our first employer was less-than-fun, but we found new jobs together, and our first year there was fantastic.
The second year, which is mercifully coming to an end, was complete poop from start to finish. Increased workload, decreased prep-time, and a serious feeling among all the staff that the director didn't give a rat's butt for anyone or anything at work other than student numbers (among other issues) all contributed.
I think that people's experiences here are influenced by luck as much as anything else. I wouldn't recommend people to stay away from Korea as there are some great places to work, but I also won't be raving about it when I get back home.
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bamboozler



Joined: 18 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sulperman wrote:
you might get a bad job. but only fucking freaks get bad job after bad job. like "baldteacher"


Completely agree, if you are bald and a teacher in Korea you are going nowhere.

Also that guy was talking about taking a CDI job after being here many years.

Goes without saying he has no game, and no claim.

Keep your ear to the grindstone.
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murmanjake



Joined: 21 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bamboozler wrote:
sulperman wrote:
you might get a bad job. but only fucking freaks get bad job after bad job. like "baldteacher"


Completely agree, if you are bald and a teacher in Korea you are going nowhere.

Also that guy was talking about taking a CDI job after being here many years.

Goes without saying he has no game, and no claim.

Keep your ear to the grindstone.


That sounds painful. Why? To keep your hearing "sharp?"

Some people just have shite luck. That most of them are bald, overweight, awkward, ugly, or uncouth is mere coincidence. Correlation does not imply causation.
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cragesmure



Joined: 23 Oct 2010

PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida wrote:
Cultural differences mixed in with office politics causes the most grief.

I have to agree with this, but add in a tendency for people to focus on negatives. Work life does have its challenges here, but the work itself is easy when compared to the average job back home, not to mention better holidays, low tax and job security. Daily life has its challenges here, but it's not that bad when you consider how life would have been for foreigners back home at a similar point of social development. The people that complain about life/work here, while at the same time do nothing about leaving and making a life for themselves elsewhere are the same people that will complain about life/work anywhere. Sure some things annoy me here, but some things have annoyed me everywhere I have been. I just try to focus on the positives wherever I am. I still have bad days, but I figure I'd have those anywhere anyway, so I don't let it get to me too much.
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida wrote:
Cultural differences mixed in with office politics causes the most grief.


Pretty much.
Most of my hassles in Korea have been due to other foreigners.
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enchoo



Joined: 04 Jul 2004
Location: Heading to a reality show near you

PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:46 am    Post subject: Good and Bad ESL jobs Reply with quote

Just make sure you get all the specifics of the job before you get on board any ESL jobs. Also check reviews of any esl jobs. I have lived both the ESL teacher life, university ESL teacher life, and the USA public teacher school life. PM me if you need specifics....
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TECO



Joined: 20 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sulperman wrote:
esl in korea is the easiest job on earth and anybody who says otherwise is a fucking lazy bastard.L


Anyone who refers to teaching English in Korea as ESL should be fired and quickly sent on a plane out of the country.

Having said that, even though you're a hack, you are right: teaching English in Asia, for the money we get, is the easiest job we could ever hope for. Sure we're away from family and friends back home, but it can be, and often is, quite lucrative.
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cyui



Joined: 10 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is the point of this thread? Not sure if you wanna justify comming
to Korea or justify staying in your home country because..of whatever reason you are seeking.
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silkhighway



Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TECO wrote:
sulperman wrote:
esl in korea is the easiest job on earth and anybody who says otherwise is a fucking lazy bastard.L


Anyone who refers to teaching English in Korea as ESL should be fired and quickly sent on a plane out of the country.

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You're just being pedantic. I know the difference and I still put ESL on my resume so I don't have to explain it. It's not any different than all computer science jobs getting lumped under "IT". At least teaching ESL/EFL requires similar skillsets, unlike the computer science jobs that require vastly different ones.
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