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Riker · Joined: 28 Dec 2010

So I just read a wonderful discussion about a fake university instructing its students how to get real apostilles for their fake degrees. So I began thinking, how many people in Korea just buy fake degree's online and get a notary and an apostille?

northway · Joined: 05 Jul 2010

I wouldn't be against reporting this to KImmi.

jrwhite82 · Joined: 22 May 2010

I would like to know how many people at the different State Secretary offices know the difference between a real diploma and a fake one. I'm willing to bet.....none.

I see the importance of getting the FBI CBC.

I see the benefit in not having to send your original diploma anymore. But the apostille thing is so ridiculous.

What should be done is send in a copy of your diploma and your sealed transcripts. Send your university a "Release of Information" document, allowing them to confirm inquiries that you graduated and what grades you got. Someone at immigration should call the universities and speak with the registrar office to make sure that John Doe was a student there from the dates that he claims and that he graduated. This would be much more effective and wouldn't require anything extra from immigration except a phone call. How hard is that? Maybe the time difference is the killer here.

Riker · Joined: 28 Dec 2010

Really, all they would need to is check the list of accredited universities. The dept of education provides one, with a search function.

http://www.ope.ed.gov/accreditation/Search.aspx

and Wikipedia has a quick reference of fake ones, although its not all inclusive I'm sure.

The problem with the phone verification is that I'm sure some of these places have real phone / fax numbers in order "verify" their degrees.

ttompatz · Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea

northway · Joined: 05 Jul 2010

Riker · Joined: 28 Dec 2010

northway · Joined: 05 Jul 2010

Riker · Joined: 28 Dec 2010

jrwhite82 · Joined: 22 May 2010

So then I ask, how many of the thousands (millions?) of notaries know the difference between a real diploma and a fake?

northway · Joined: 05 Jul 2010

sirius black · Joined: 04 Jun 2010

My guess is the reasons why the Korean immigration dept simply doesn't notify the school as suggested are that a) there has to be thousands of degrees to verify and they probably lack the manpower with the linguistic skills to call the 7 nations, plus the time difference. They would need someone to come in past office time. b) you can't confirm on the phone from numerous schools. There is just too many calls to field. Imagine a school like Michigan, Penn State and Texas that have tens of thousands of students as well as hundreds of thousands of graduates.

in another thread some were saying the cost to duplicate the paperwork would be comprehensive. I disagree. I think in this day and age with the technology available, one could fake the documents to come here (save the passport) pretty easily and not too expensive. A few to several hundred dollars at most. With hundreds of documents to review and even something as uniformly the same as the FBI check, how many Korean workers actually look at each raised seal to see if it looks the same? One could fake the paper and the raised seal. If they don't inspect it wtih the scrutiny I imagine they don't do, I think it not only could be done but has/will be done.

Not advocating to try it. For me at least its not worth the risk but saying that doesn't mean it can't be done easier than one would expect.

Died By Bear · Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:22 am Post subject:

My guess is that Korean immi is not stupid. If there's one thing about Koreans, they know how to adapt and improve. They are bad ass when they have to perform next to a lot of other people. I ain't Korean either. I am telling the truth. Now. Having said that - These guys 99% of the time make careers out of immigration. They've been dealing with the fake degree stuff for a long time. Take your chances, and you might get away with it a few times, but karma will always catch up to you. Sure, some people will always get away with it, do ten years in asia or more and never get caught. Some. Not all. Some.

Riker · Joined: 28 Dec 2010

Epik_Teacher · Joined: 28 Apr 2010

What's to stop someone in China or Hong Kong (or anywhere else) from setting up their own "Korea legalization" service. Including FBI forms, apostilles and everything. All you really need is a good computer setup, a scanner and some Photoshop skills.

I can just see the ads on the internet: "Want to teach ESL in Korea?!? we can make you qualified and legal for $300!!!!"