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Unrest in Egypt- What's it all about
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Space Bar



Joined: 20 Oct 2010

PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
Space Bar wrote:
Another view...

Revolutionary Change in #Egypt: Internal or Made in USA?


So arrogant.

Mubarak had set a successor, but he lacked popularity. The question of who will follow Mubarak has been an open one for some time now. This isn't a situation the US created.

Sure about that?

THE U.S. IS BEHIND THE FALL OF MUBARAK

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Elad strongly suggested that I investigate who was behind Mohammed ElBaradei. Look what I discovered! Just a few months ago, Mohammed ElBaradei was paraded on the front cover of the Council On Foreign Relations (CFR) rag, Foreign Affairs, with a headline asking if he could be Egypt's savior. What uncanny foresight, for on the second day of Egyptian protests he showed up in Cairo and was named as the negotiator of The Muslim Brotherhood. So where did he come from? It turns out from the board of an NGO run by CFR muckrakers George Soros and Zbigniew Brzezinski.


Egypt protests: America's secret backing for rebel leaders behind uprising

The American government secretly backed leading figures behind the Egyptian uprising who have been planning �regime change� for the past three years, The Daily Telegraph has learned.

The American Embassy in Cairo helped a young dissident attend a US-sponsored summit for activists in New York, while working to keep his identity secret from Egyptian state police.

On his return to Cairo in December 2008, the activist told US diplomats that an alliance of opposition groups had drawn up a plan to overthrow President Hosni Mubarak and install a democratic government in 2011.

The secret document in full

He has already been arrested by Egyptian security in connection with the demonstrations and his identity is being protected by The Daily Telegraph.

The crisis in Egypt follows the toppling of Tunisian president Zine al-Abedine Ben Ali, who fled the country after widespread protests forced him from office.

The disclosures, contained in previously secret US diplomatic dispatches released by the WikiLeaks website, show American officials pressed the Egyptian government to release other dissidents who had been detained by the police.

more at link
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Space Bar



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

comm wrote:

I think it's about time for Spacebar to predict a "false flag" event. Only I think he'll be right this time. Staging something violent and blaming it on "the bad guys" is the only way Mubarak will have any support in the coming months, if he makes it that long.

So when, pray tell, have I been wrong?
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Space Bar



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:

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So don't put your values and cultural assumptions on others.


That was a quotation from a Russian article. Dial the righteous indignation back. Save it for when ignorati claim the American gov't killed American citizens on 9/11. Oh, wait, that's right . . .

That comment was not for you personally, just in general.
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rumdiary



Joined: 05 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is what the Egyptian government doesn't want you to see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU4TDGlbTz8&feature=player_embedded
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caniff



Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map

PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^US culture meets Egyptian civilization.
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mises



Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired

PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ The protesters would get more done if they did it Mexican style:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfEckBCIo7U
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The woman who sparked a revolution

This is the video, originally posted on January 18th, that first called on Egyptians to come to Tahrir Square on January 25, thus sparking the current round of demonstrations.

Scan down to the 2nd video
http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideastdispatches/archives/001170.html
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legrande



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/TECH/social.media/02/11/egyptian.president.digital.mashable/

Congratulations to the Egyptian people! Now comes the hard part.
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legrande



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/middle-east/Celebrations-Erupt-in-Egypts-Tahrir-Square-115953554.html
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
Mubarak will stay put.

His promise to "step down" in 6 months time presumably refers only to his daily walk along the pavement.

You can't oust a dictator by just assembling in the street. They have to be removed by force.


Rolling Eyes
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stilicho25



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Northway, he was right. He stepped down when the army and the US refused to back him. Granted, the protests were the driving force, but without the army turning, this would have just been a bloodbath.
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northway



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stilicho25 wrote:
Northway, he was right. He stepped down when the army and the US refused to back him. Granted, the protests were the driving force, but without the army turning, this would have just been a bloodbath.


"Refusing to back him" and "forcing him out" aren't exactly the same thing. Moreover, why did the army turn? Because of the protests. Sure, protests don't magically make a leader leave office, but really, they ousted a leader by assembling in the street.
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stilicho25



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea. I agree the protests are what is important here, but I think the point Junior made is that violence often trumps legitimacy. At least till the soldiers in the army no longer see the regime as legitimate.
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AsiaESLbound



Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri

PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Power was officially transferred to the military yesterday so they now officially have a military junta in place, but on condition the military is on the liberated people's side. The resignation of Mubarak doesn't guarantee anything as there could and probably are plans for a corrupt administration to continue to serve corrupt crony interests. To fix their broken government, they will have to oust everyone in office below Mubarak and then bar their friends and family from public office and business leader positions. I don't see the beast as killed by Mubarak's resignation, but only another difficult harrowing chapter in Egypts history.

I think they are going to be deeply disappointed in the long run with the lack of economic opportunities still evident despite winning freedom for it's tough to get ahead in today's market if you are not already well entrenched in a specialty industry which applies to everyone from individuals all the way up to a nation as a whole. Tourism is all they ever had for foreign income and they severely damaged that 2 weeks ago which will take considerable time to regain Western tourists trust that Egypt is safe and friendly for them to return. Egypt was never really safe and friendly to tourists, but many love that extra stimulation they get out of going so people will return. Even if they are freed and empowered for a while, where are they going to get adequate money and resources to have a good economic run and manifest success? Like anywhere else, they have human resources, but Egypt is lacking money and natural resources to the point most buildings weren't ever completed and stand only 30 to 40% finished with iron re-bar sticking up in the air above them allowing water damage due to no proper roofs built on them. Freedom may mean more jobs in call centers and factories come time as foreign companies enter the market looking for cheap Arabic and English speakers to talk phone business, but they will find the pay is too low and it's all still just as hard to make ends meet, if not harder, as it was before the fall of Mubarak. With increased freedom, inflation will happen due to opportunists seeking higher commissions or margins, which will only cause more problems unless most people start making a whole lot more money to support an economic rush.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a remarkable 18 days it's been in Egypt! Very inspiring.

Of course it will take years and years to sort everything out. One site said Egypt needs 7% growth in order to provide enough jobs, and that's a tall order for any government. But today, the possibility for the people to have a voice in their government and a say in determining their own future exists. The hard work starts tomorrow. Keep your fingers crossed that no one hijacks the revolution.

Someone mentioned somewhere that the army fired on demonstrators in Yemen and the boss (emir?) of Bahrain just cashed in some gold bars in order to pay each family $3,000 in an attempt to buy their love. With both Tunisia and Egypt now in the revolutionary camp, the inevitable question has to be: Who's next? A demonstration has been called in Iran for Monday. Hmmm. Lots of candidates out there. (I don't imagine the Chinese government slept very well last night.)
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