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jst
Joined: 14 Feb 2010
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:35 am Post subject: Hagwon salary ranges. What are they based on? |
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When you see salary ranges for hagwons (ex. 2.0 ~ 2.2 million), what are they based on? Qualifications? How low someone can be paid? Or something else?
Is it common to just ask for highest amount on the salary range? |
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Ice Tea
Joined: 23 Nov 2008
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:47 am Post subject: |
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No experience 2.0
Experienced 2.1
Experienced + Teaching Degree/TEFL 2.2 |
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hondaicivic
Joined: 01 Jul 2010 Location: Daegu, South Korea
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:53 am Post subject: |
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Ice Tea wrote: |
No experience 2.0
Experienced 2.1
Experienced + Teaching Degree/TEFL 2.2 |
No you got it wrong.
Non-white = <1.8
White = 2.0
White female = 2.1
White attractive female with blonde hair/blue eyes = 2.3 |
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marsavalanche

Joined: 27 Aug 2010 Location: where pretty lies perish
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:41 am Post subject: |
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Ice Tea wrote: |
No experience 2.0
Experienced 2.1
Experienced + Teaching Degree/TEFL 2.2 |
You couldn't be further from the truth.
Blonde
Blue eyes
Female
Young
Now deduct 100,000 won for each of those you don't qualify under starting at 2.4 |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:26 am Post subject: |
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marsavalanche wrote: |
Ice Tea wrote: |
No experience 2.0
Experienced 2.1
Experienced + Teaching Degree/TEFL 2.2 |
You couldn't be further from the truth.
Blonde
Blue eyes
Female
Young
Now deduct 100,000 won for each of those you don't qualify under starting at 2.4 |
This sounds about right, based on my hagwon. |
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jrwhite82

Joined: 22 May 2010
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:03 am Post subject: |
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Although the above does not apply to ALL hagwons, it is accurate.
I think the market determines salary to a certain degree. Across the hagwon industry, wages have not increased much in about a decade. Yes, there is a higher demand for teachers now than there was 10 years ago. But the supply of teachers has outpaced the demand to an even greater extent. This keeps all the entry level jobs at the same salary.
You're looking at anywhere between 2.0 (standard guy with a BA) - 2.4(super hot white female or MA-TESL/Ed with a year or two of experience) |
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willteachforfood
Joined: 24 Jan 2011
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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While all of those factors mentioned above do affect hiring practices in Korea....I think that it's safe to say that hagwon salaries are based more on:
1. How much money does the school make off of you....in general the schools with higher pay either require more contact hours, or are more expensive schools.
2. Supply and demand for that location, and when they need the teacher by. Most schools will offer as little as possible, regardless of your experience. If they need a teacher now, or are in an unfavorable location, then you can ask for more.
The bottom line is that for a couple hundred thousand per month....the school doesn't care whatsoever about your experience. Ask for the higher amount and then refuse to take the job if you don't get it....if they have the pay range then they can afford the higher amount....hagwons paying in the low 2's don't care about your experience, they care about money, and am inexperienced teacher makes them the same amount of money as a teacher with 1 year experience and/or an online TEFL.....if you hold your ground and refuse to take the lower end of the scale then more times than not they will buckle and give you the higher end of their pay scale. They may call your bluff, at which point you can decide to take the job at the lower rate....but most likely if you turn them down once, if they at all have a need for a teacher, they will pay you the extra hundred bucks as opposed to finding another teacher....unless the school is in a prime location.
Now, I am talking about a newbie asking for the higher end of the posted pay scale....not asking for 2.4 on a job that is offering 2.0-2.2....but even then, you never know....if you're willing to go hagwon, there will always be a job for you in Korea. |
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St8ofTheArt
Joined: 02 Dec 2010
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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Black guy, no experience, no education degree, 2.5 mil first year, blue eyes my ass. |
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Chet Wautlands

Joined: 11 Oct 2008
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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St8ofTheArt wrote: |
Black guy, no experience, no education degree, 2.5 mil first year, blue eyes my ass. |
If you take away their cynicism, what will they have left? |
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jrwhite82

Joined: 22 May 2010
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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St8ofTheArt wrote: |
Black guy, no experience, no education degree, 2.5 mil first year, blue eyes my ass. |
That's great to hear and I'm happy when anyone gets more than the standard that has been in place for many years. It hopefully means that wages will move upwards instead of down or staying stagnant. However, I think you might be an exception on this one. Even disregarding race, you are an exception to the hagwon pay scale.
What is your housing, vacation, work area, work responsiblities, working hours?
Did you get the job through a recruiter or a reference? Did you negotiate with the owner or was this the initial offer?
The reason I ask, is I take an active role in reviewing contracts in the contract sticky and I'd like to give the most accurate advice possible. I also like to know how often people are successful negotiating terms and what they usually win on.
Either way, it goes to show everyone that there are good jobs out there. You just have to look hard enough. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:16 am Post subject: |
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Chet Wautlands wrote: |
St8ofTheArt wrote: |
Black guy, no experience, no education degree, 2.5 mil first year, blue eyes my ass. |
If you take away their cynicism, what will they have left? |
I would bet more rantings. Plenty more in reserve.
Unfounded claims do quite well on here, especially those that reduce it all to xenophobia/racism/ineptitude of Koreans/foreigners as victims.
Take your pick and run with it.
Anyway the message is clear, be blonde, female and "hot" and you can surely get 2.5 or more at any Hakwon...thats a fact people, take it to the BANK.
Now if you are a GUY with DARK HAIR and are AVERAGE LOOKING you need to consider the $$$$$ here as in cost vs reward baby.
Get that sex change op and become the hot blonde, that extra 500 000W per month will pay for the op in no time!
Forget qualifications and experience, only a fool invests in that crap! Go for the sex change fellas.
The cheaper option is make up and a wig, as a crossdresser you can maybe reach that 2.5 or more range. Koreans won't know the difference, heck you will be blonde! Again, the extra Won will pay for the beauty products and new wardrobe. No need to change your passeport, just say it was an "old" picture and you were "tired".
Re-work your resume including the words BLONDE, HOT and FEMALE every chance you get. You cannot mention these often enough!
For example, under gender just type: Blonde
Under professional experience use things like: BLONDE FEMALE T.A. at the University of HOT BLONDES.
Under citizenship: HOT BLOND FEMALE AMERICAN/CANADIAN/AUSTRALIAN...
You cannot miss!
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:20 am Post subject: |
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In all seriousness, jrwhite asks pertinent questions and does contribute to the contract thread, I think his questions should be answered as it will help lots of people down the road. |
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willteachforfood
Joined: 24 Jan 2011
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
In all seriousness, jrwhite asks pertinent questions and does contribute to the contract thread, I think his questions should be answered as it will help lots of people down the road. |
It truly blows my mind how seriously you take this message board.
What would you do to fill the void in your life if Dave's ESL were to cease to exist? |
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bobbybigfoot
Joined: 05 May 2007 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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Geez, starting salary was 2.1 or 2.2 nearly 4 years ago. And the Won was strong and prices lower. Stay a couple years and you were getting 2.5 to 2.7.
Now cats are accepting 2.0 million for a weaker won, and paying out more to live here.
How times have changed. |
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TheresaTheresa
Joined: 24 Feb 2010
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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St8ofTheArt wrote: |
Black guy, no experience, no education degree, 2.5 mil first year, blue eyes my ass. |
Have to agree with you there, bud. |
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