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tanklor1



Joined: 13 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 7:41 pm    Post subject: Hubris Reply with quote

So, I find myself on the job market once again. It's been two years since my last interview and four years since I started. I have a sense of entitlement and mild anger to the idea that I have to prove myself to a bunch of strangers. Is there any way to deflate my ego just a tad so I don't come off sounding like a total douche?
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nathanrutledge



Joined: 01 May 2008
Location: Marakesh

PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I make more money, drive a fancier car, and slept with your wife.

Does that help?

Wink
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tanklor1



Joined: 13 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nathanrutledge wrote:
I make more money, drive a fancier car, and slept with your wife.

Does that help?

Wink
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tefain



Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Location: Not too far out there

PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Put yourself in the strangers place. Would you be willing to give a position and salary to a stranger if you're not confident in their abilities?



(And yes, I know a lot of places here do just that.)
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Yellowstone_1872



Joined: 12 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:04 am    Post subject: Re: Hubris Reply with quote

tanklor1 wrote:
So, I find myself on the job market once again. It's been two years since my last interview and four years since I started. I have a sense of entitlement and mild anger to the idea that I have to prove myself to a bunch of strangers. Is there any way to deflate my ego just a tad so I don't come off sounding like a total douche?


I'll throw this out as an idea: if I'm hiring, would I prefer to hire someone who has a few years under their belt and thinks they are God's gift to Korea, or would I want to hire some greenhorn who is going to be malleable to our system, willing to adjust to new colleagues and generally not a prima donna?

Even if the experienced person has some great skills, they may not be worth the trouble if they disrupt my settled teaching staff and cost me more money to boot. If I sense any attitude on the part of the veteran, I'm going to lean strongly toward the rookie.
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PigeonFart



Joined: 27 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand the OPs feelings.
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tanklor1



Joined: 13 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Hubris Reply with quote

Yellowstone_1872 wrote:
tanklor1 wrote:
So, I find myself on the job market once again. It's been two years since my last interview and four years since I started. I have a sense of entitlement and mild anger to the idea that I have to prove myself to a bunch of strangers. Is there any way to deflate my ego just a tad so I don't come off sounding like a total douche?


I'll throw this out as an idea: if I'm hiring, would I prefer to hire someone who has a few years under their belt and thinks they are God's gift to Korea, or would I want to hire some greenhorn who is going to be malleable to our system, willing to adjust to new colleagues and generally not a prima donna?

Even if the experienced person has some great skills, they may not be worth the trouble if they disrupt my settled teaching staff and cost me more money to boot. If I sense any attitude on the part of the veteran, I'm going to lean strongly toward the rookie.


I think this is like something that I needed to hear.
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Carbon



Joined: 28 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Hubris Reply with quote

tanklor1 wrote:
So, I find myself on the job market once again. It's been two years since my last interview and four years since I started. I have a sense of entitlement and mild anger to the idea that I have to prove myself to a bunch of strangers. Is there any way to deflate my ego just a tad so I don't come off sounding like a total douche?


Maybe post why you think you are all that and posters here can rip it all down?

Razz
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earthquakez



Joined: 10 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To the OP - are you in Korea or somewhere else at the moment?

I don't blame you for feeling that way. Despite what some people think, this Korean job market is indeed crappy and is the worst ESL market I've ever seen. What makes it bad is getting past recruiters, for one thing. Evil or Very Mad

I know or know of through friends people who have great cvs/resumes from teaching elsewhere.There are more than just the two cases I'll list here. One teacher (female) I met fairly recently here was on a tourist visa to check out the job scene here. She has a resume that includes longish stints in Japan and China, as well as Mexico. She's got the same ol song from every recruiter - no chance in Seoul. Supposedly she's too old at 40.

She's attractive, doesn't look her age in photos or real life and has everything right on her resume from flawless writing to verifiable referees. No takers. Another foreigner who's friendly with one of my circle in Korea is male and can't get anything but again has the goods on his cv.

They were both told if something along the lines of if they are 'very lucky' they can get some job with terrible (my words) hours, pay and conditions down in some rural area where nobody wants to go.

I've heard from everybody I've discussed this with that recruiters are just blocking nearly everybody who is an older teacher regardless of great experience from working in Seoul. Supposedly Seoul is the bomb (slang - cool, best) place to be but funny how the better educated, more moneyed Koreans in Seoul want inexperienced North Americans, the younger the better.

Anybody care to tell us how accurate that is? I call bs. I recall from my Tokyo days that a similar city has more natives who want real experience and skills from foreign English teachers - especially the ones with significant money. You can't tell me that Seoul parents want the opposite.
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West Coast Tatterdemalion



Joined: 31 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Entitlement in South Korea? Especially being a foreigner? Good luck with that. You could work in Korea for a hundred years and a job in the ESL racket would look at your resume and the resume of a guy with zero experience in Korea and probably hire the guy with zero experience. No such thing as entitlement in this land. Unless maybe you are somehow involved with a chaebol. Then maybe.
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