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angma
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dyc
Joined: 16 Dec 2010 Location: Vancouver
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 12:39 am Post subject: Re: Her family hits my sweet angelic student -- I can do not |
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angma wrote: |
I got a lot of responses to my last post about cheating. This is a GREAT place for an outlet. I should use it more often.
One of my most brilliant students is a very sweet and shy little girl. I have trouble getting her to speak, but she speaks more often now -- just in a very tiny voice that is difficult to hear. After about 2 years, I think I am just finally earning her trust. She would never play with me, but within the last 3 months she has been very playful. I think I now understand WHY she it was so hard to earn her trust and affection.
She came to school a couple of weeks ago and was speaking to me closely (I have to get close to hear her) when I noticed a decent sized gash on the inside of her lower lip. I interrogated her about it. "Did you fall down?" ...no. "Did another student hit you?" ...no.
Well, the students all got very curious (this happened during class) and started asking questions in Korean. I let them run with it. It turns out her grandmother hit her.
Being a westerner (US), my values are not the same as most Koreans. I pretty much know that relaying info to my boss would be futile. I've almost "let it go", but, still, every time I think about it, my heart aches. What would you do? (let's pretend you're not willing to risk the job you have held for almost seven years -- your position as well...)
Is "just letting it go" the answer? I can't see another feasible option. |
Well you don't know for sure that her grandmother is abusive. It could've been an accident, or just discipline that went a bit too far (i.e. grandmother meant to grab her or give her a little smack and the girl struggled which caused the gash on the lip).
But even if the girl was being physically abused, i don't think there's much you can do. |
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thegadfly

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I would talk to your boss about your concerns -- if there is a chance that the girl IS being abused by someone in her family, you should do what you can about it.
That being said, what you describe here displays a HUGE amount of presumption on your part -- you are basing your entire allegation of abuse on a single mark, and from that you extrapolate years of physical abuse. If I were the parent of that child, I would be very offended by your gall and ego.
Even the title of your post is sensationalistic and misleading. It is clear to me that you are simply trolling...or else, you have a talent for expressing yourself in the least tactful, most offensive way possible in any situation. |
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angma
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angma
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jrwhite82

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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:54 am Post subject: |
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Document it. Report it to your supervisor. Document that you reported it. Move on. |
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thegadfly

Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:06 am Post subject: |
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angma wrote: |
thegadfly wrote: |
I would talk to your boss about your concerns -- if there is a chance that the girl IS being abused by someone in her family, you should do what you can about it.
That being said, what you describe here displays a HUGE amount of presumption on your part -- you are basing your entire allegation of abuse on a single mark, and from that you extrapolate years of physical abuse. If I were the parent of that child, I would be very offended by your gall and ego.
Even the title of your post is sensationalistic and misleading. It is clear to me that you are simply trolling...or else, you have a talent for expressing yourself in the least tactful, most offensive way possible in any situation. |
I think you are presuming an awful lot about my post. I don't really see how your can infer so much from so little information. Years of abuse??? Where do you get that??? The only thing I am assuming is that the child is telling the truth.
Yes... I am being a pessimist here, assuming the worst. That's the point. However, there is a difference between being pessimistic and just plain negativity. I think your comment was just plain negative. The comment you made on the other thread seemed reasonable. This was not. Find a punching bag. |
I got it from your original post -- "After about 2 years, I think I am just finally earning her trust. She would never play with me, but within the last 3 months she has been very playful. I think I now understand WHY she it was so hard to earn her trust and affection. "
If that wasn't meant to imply your belief that her trust issues stem from physical abuse that she has received at the hands of her "abusive family," then you really ARE bad at expressing what you mean.
The title of your post is "Her family hits my sweet angelic student -- I can do nothing." Again, if you weren't implying that more than one person hit her more than one time, and that you have tried and failed to stop it, then you really need to work on your communication skills. Words have meanings, and if you aren't sure of what you are saying, you might take a few minutes to think about it first.
I don't particularly trust your judgment on things, or the conclusions you draw -- but as I said before, you should report it to your boss. To do nothing when you suspect abuse is unconscionable, and it would be better to do something and be mistaken than not to do anything, for fear of being wrong. |
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angma
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Go ahead and report it, verbally, to your boss, in a concerned but gentle way. Then, be prepared to let it go. Your boss can do nothing.
Harsh discipline and physical discipline is normal, accepted and not illegal in Korea. What you have described will not be taken seriously by any government authority.
I've had children come in with bruises all over their faces, arms, legs ... one boy in severe physical pain. Their fathers beat them for not studying or getting low scores. Often beatings from their mothers are worse - and you can do nothing except ...
You can be kind and gentle to these students. Show them that you care by helping them, and show them kindness, gentleness, love and concern. Let your example be a beacon of hope for your abused students and maybe they'll learn from you not to continue the cycle of violence. |
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calicoe
Joined: 23 Dec 2008 Location: South Korea
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Yes, you can do something. Show them the love and understanding they should get, but don't get anywhere else. It will make a difference to them. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:31 am Post subject: |
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First of all, I sincerely hope that little kid is not getting abused at home.
Now on to your post OP:
First, you are assuming a lot based on what you overheard while she was talking with the other students. Now I have to ask: was this conversation among students in Korean? If so, are you fluent enough in Korean to be ABSOLUTELY sure of what you heard?
I doubt the kids were having this type of highly personal conversation in English in front of you....
Second, you are a teacher not a buddy or big brother to these kids. It is fine to be kind to them but you are not there to "earn their trust and affection". Thats a bit beyond the line. Getting them to trust you as a teacher is fine in a classroom setting however.
Third, why did you have to get her to play with you? Participate in class sure. Get along with others in class sure. Play with you? That seems a tad odd OP.
Finally, talk to your boss if you are worried. That will the START and END of your involvement with this. Personally I think you are jumping to a conclusion based very little concrete information. For all you know that kid got in a fight with her brother or sister and got hit accidentally on the lip. Communicating your concerns to your boss is fine however. Still, I would avoid passing judgement on the ability of your employer or her staff in "dealing with this issue".
As far as we know, you are an English Teacher not a Social Worker or a School Principal right? Report it and let the school handle it as it should, it is not your place to get involved any deeper than this. |
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