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sojusucks



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:06 am    Post subject: Forced drinking a major problem with Korean employers Reply with quote

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2932556



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A typical hoesik, or company outing, in Korea starts at a grilled meat restaurant, where work colleagues wash down their food with soju. Afterward, the group usually goes to icha (a second round), oftentimes a bar. Samcha (third round) usually involves a Korean karaoke bar, where boilermakers of whiskey and beer are offered. Those who survive the third round go onto a fourth round, which often involves haejangguk, or hangover soup, accompanied by more beer or soju. The aim is to push their limits in order to bond with co-workers and form �team spirit.�

Korea�s corporate culture is so dependent on alcohol that according to the Korean Alcohol Research Foundation - the country�s foremost authority on drinking culture - more than 90 percent of company outings revolve around booze.

Three out of 10 workers said they were dependent on alcohol to succeed at the workplace, according to a recent survey by Incruit, one of the biggest online job recruiting agencies in Korea. It added that one out of 10 workers in the survey of 684 male and female workers thought they needed counseling due to an �addictive� reliance on alcohol.






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Korean managers using their position of power to force underlings to drink has emerged as a major social problem.

In 2007, the Seoul High Court ruled that a manager at an online game company had to pay $32,000 to one of his subordinates for forcing her to drink alcohol during a hoesik - the first ruling of its kind. The court said that the manager violated his subordinate�s human dignity and said that forcing her to drink alcohol was illegal.

An Irish man who heads the Korean branch of a global industrial company described Korea�s drinking culture as �almost savage.�

�In Ireland, I would be able to go to a pub, stay there for four hours and go home not being drunk at all, but in Korea, that is impossible,� he said, declining to be named. �Forcing drinks on people and pushing glasses into their hands, and this being the norm, is quite shocking for a foreigner like myself.�


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Chris.Quigley



Joined: 20 Apr 2009
Location: Belfast. N Ireland

PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well... I guess this just proves what we already knew. I think that the problem extends beyond just corporate culture in Korea. There is rarely an outing that doesn't involve alcohol.

Koreans need something else to do with their time.
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rumdiary



Joined: 05 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These guys go all night without even going into the bathroom to do a bump. Impressive!
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris.Quigley wrote:
Well... I guess this just proves what we already knew. I think that the problem extends beyond just corporate culture in Korea. There is rarely an outing that doesn't involve alcohol.

Koreans need something else to do with their time.


I think that should read "People in Korea" not just Koreans. I seem to recall that certain populations of teachers, possibly foreign, seem to have a reputation for a culture of drinking as well.
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orosee



Joined: 07 Mar 2008
Location: Hannam-dong, Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty accurate description. They forgot the hookers between the karaoke and the hangover soup, but I guess that's off the company clock. Usually I avoid the minor outings (though not the lunch parties, you can drink a bottle or two of soju during these too), but there are certain events that you cannot talk your way out of. And it does help with the status and connections, so if you drink, drink. It's on your clock but on the company dime, I usually get my "payback" by calling in sick for the entire following day (usually a W, T or F). No way am I able to drink myself into a coma until I get home at 4am, just to rise 3 hours later and not be in terrible pain for the following 6 hours. I believe that's why my company has a policy of allowing 1 sick day, no questions asked, per month.

Some of my Korean colleagues can't even remember how we spent the final 2-3 hours of the night (just as well, it involved hookers and they're all married or have g/f) BUT one was then able to get only 3 hours of sleep and drive by himself to Daegu for an important customer visit. I guess that explains the driving style one experiences from 6 am to noon.

Another rule seems to be "one does not talk about booze club". I feel truly sorry about the women who stay on with a bunch of repressed, drunk guys. Can't be too long until we have the first major lawsuit on sexual harrassment during one of those outings. For whatever reason, the women in my company can drink more and longer than the majority of the guys, and have less after effects the next morning. But unlike the guys, they don't start touching everybody and take off their clothes.

One major part of this drinking is apparently that it allows lower employees to talk more frankly to their bosses. I only wonder how much of that is still rememberred the day after.
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Marzipoo



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obvious chick says just drink slow!

That way you don't look like a non-drinking weenie and you don't get drunk.
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chellovek



Joined: 29 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marzipoo wrote:
Obvious chick says just drink slow!

That way you don't look like a non-drinking weenie and you don't get drunk.


Sometimes they can put a bit of pressure on to take another dram, 'poo
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Patrick Bateman



Joined: 21 Apr 2009
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marzipoo wrote:
Obvious chick says just drink slow!

That way you don't look like a non-drinking weenie and you don't get drunk.


How many times have you gone out drinking with Koreans you work with?

Most of the time people go around the table(s) and do shots of Soju with everyone there. I have never seen a person refuse a shot in Korea when someone offers it to them. At best, after some pleading and convincing, you may be able to get them to give you a "shot" of water or cider, but even then it can be easy to spot a change in their demeanor. It's also easy to get into a vicious kind of give and take cycle (especially with the older males). I can easily understand how if you live in Korea and want to be a part of the corporate or professional culture that you will have to drink way more than you probably want to.

This article isn't referring to times where you have a glass of beer with dinner.
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Seoulman69



Joined: 14 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a major complaint from my Korean friends. They work too many hours, the bosses are grouchy-heads, the drinking sessions are hell.

Two of my friends quit their jobs because it was too much.

Please don't think all Koreans love Korean society. They complain way more than I do.

Other common complaints are: taxi drivers, busy subways, slow walkers, and rude older people.

I could write a book with the crap some of my friends have had to put up with.

Keep in mind most Koreans are good folk, who usually just want to go to bed and sleep.

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Ruthdes



Joined: 16 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
Chris.Quigley wrote:
Well... I guess this just proves what we already knew. I think that the problem extends beyond just corporate culture in Korea. There is rarely an outing that doesn't involve alcohol.

Koreans need something else to do with their time.


I think that should read "People in Korea" not just Koreans. I seem to recall that certain populations of teachers, possibly foreign, seem to have a reputation for a culture of drinking as well.

Yes, lots of foreign teachers get drunk far too often, but I think the difference is that it's acceptable to go out and drink nothing, or little if you want to. Last February I did "Feb Fast", which involved me not drinking for all of February. After an initial question about why I wasn't drinking, I didn't get anyone giving me a hard time, or trying to force me to drink. Western drinking culture extends to it being strange if someone doesn't drink, but not so far as to try to force someone to drink (obviously there are exceptions to this, but in my experience, this is the general rule).
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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My public school principal's retirement party was two weeks ago. The entire school staff attended. And nobody caught any grief for not drinking there. I was actually surprised that only about 1/2 of the staff imbibe. The rest of us don't drink. So, yes, it is possible to not succumb and still have a viable career.
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Stalin84



Joined: 30 Dec 2009
Location: Haebangchon, Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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An Irish man who heads the Korean branch of a global industrial company described Korea�s drinking culture as �almost savage.�


If an Irishman is telling you that you're drinking too much, then you're probably drinking too much... Laughing
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We had forced drinking during University. Back then we called them "parties" and people LIKED IT.
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daeguowl



Joined: 06 Aug 2009
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marzipoo wrote:
Obvious chick says just drink slow!

That way you don't look like a non-drinking weenie and you don't get drunk.


Sounds like someone that has never attended such a function.

CentralCali wrote:

My public school principal's retirement party was two weeks ago. The entire school staff attended. And nobody caught any grief for not drinking there. I was actually surprised that only about 1/2 of the staff imbibe. The rest of us don't drink. So, yes, it is possible to not succumb and still have a viable career.
In some fields perhaps. But in others you won't have the level of success that you could have...
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Stalin84



Joined: 30 Dec 2009
Location: Haebangchon, Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

daeguowl wrote:
Marzipoo wrote:
Obvious chick says just drink slow!

That way you don't look like a non-drinking weenie and you don't get drunk.


Sounds like someone that has never attended such a function.


Yeah. They tend to harass you for not being able to keep up with everyone else. That's one of the reasons I didn't choose to work at a PS again... My inability to drink usually reflects upon me negatively.


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