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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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 Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
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Are you claiming that's the only reason?
And do you have any statistics to illustrate your claim that the likelihood of (the correct) suspects being apprehended is higher in Japan than in wherever it is you were comparing it to? |
It's probably not the only reason, but was but a single example. I could have just as easily turned around and shown that the U.S. has the longest prison sentences as well as hands down the most death penalties of any developed nation yet it also as the highest crime rate. But my example was meant to show that the chance of getting caught is more of a factor than the punishment.
When I get back in tonight, I'll see if I can find the statistical arrest rate for crimes. I'd do it now, but I'm heading out the door to work. |
It's not that I disagree with your conclusion, but I have read elsewhere that the rate of apprehension in Japan is actually not that high. |
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oneiros
Joined: 19 Aug 2003
Location: Villa Straylight
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| Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| The same goes with in the classroom. Kids that know nothing will happen to them if they go nuts, of course they will act up. If kids know punishment will be dealt swiftly for stepping out of line...well they get conditioned to behave. |
I'll agree partially here. You need to have an effective classroom management scheme, and you need to enforce it one hundred percent of the time. If you only enforce it part of the time, you're just going to make the situation worse, because the students will act worse, trying to get you to give in.
However, I don't see why that has to involve physical violence. There can still be consequences to breaking the rules without hitting your students.
I think cameras in the classroom are a brilliant idea, and I've told my students so. I hope more students start bringing them to class. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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I think this whole anti-violence cult is ridiculous. Words can hurt far more than fists..., or rulers or whatever. They can leave scars for far longer, with more damage. As the world stands now, you can be an ass***e all your life, manipulating, cheating and insulting people. Its no crime. But you get some decent person who raises a fist in self defence, and suddenly he's behind bars and branded as a vicious psycho.
Its stupid. We live in the physical world. Its not totally unrelated to the animal world. In nature, all animals raise their young to deal with the harsh reality of the outside world, to know there are consequences to their actions. A lion does not allow her cubs to run over and scratch an elephant, because it will be trodden on instantly..
In the same way, we should allow our kids to abuse their teachers with impunity. because as soon as they leave school, they'll likely get whacked on the nose for calling someone "shipbal" in the street or maybe worse. |
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oneiros
Joined: 19 Aug 2003
Location: Villa Straylight
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| Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:48 am Post subject: |
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| rapier wrote: |
| I think this whole anti-violence cult is ridiculous. Words can hurt far more than fists..., or rulers or whatever. They can leave scars for far longer, with more damage. As the world stands now, you can be an ass***e all your life, manipulating, cheating and insulting people. Its no crime. But you get some decent person who raises a fist in self defence, and suddenly he's behind bars and branded as a vicious psycho. |
Partially agree on your point here. Words are damaging. Emotional abuse is abuse. And it also has no place in the classroom.
Self-defence is a reasonable defence for violence. Punching a child in the face repeatedly for misbehaving in class is not self-defence. Self-defence only arises as a valid defence if the other person is putting you in actual physical peril. If an adult mouths off to you on the street, and you pummel them, I'd like to see you try to plead self-defence.
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In the same way, we should allow our kids to abuse their teachers with impunity. because as soon as they leave school, they'll likely get whacked on the nose for calling someone "shipbal" in the street or maybe worse. |
My students don't abuse me, because they know they're not going to get away with it. And yes, saying "shipbal" is one of the things you don't get away with in my class. Insulting your classmates is another. Respect for everyone is an important aspect in my class.
Luckily, there aren't any elephants in my classroom, but if there were, scratching them would definitely be against the rules.  |
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